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29/06/2017 at 01:46

There was a fire at Bradford city and numerous reports sent to govt - it took 96 people dead and nearly 30 years to get to the bottom of it. Justice Taylor talked about his depression at reading numerous reports warning of a tradegy.
There was a dead teenager whose phone was tapped by the press and fuck all has been done it about it. I sat alongside Patricia Hewitt to hear the mid-staffs report where people were left to die on trolleys and still we have hospitals in special measures. I was at the morecambe bay baby scandal report out and again fuck all has changed despite the dead baies for fuck sake. Yards from where I am kids were targeted by jihadis of which there are now thousands who want to kill us living amongst us - we sang don't look back in anger and hash-tagged pray for X (X being whatever town or city this week)

The examples could go on forever mate this is the UK this is how we seem to roll and as long as the majority of public (like you) can blame whoever they don't want to vote for they are happy.

Nowt but a war seems to get us doing things well and acting quickly.

Most of the time it's all filed in the can't be arsed tray.  

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29/06/2017 at 02:12

Quote Quote by candw on 28/06/2017 at 22:05
You seem to ignore one slightly important fact: In 2013 there was a serious fire at Lakanal House in London. The coroner made urgent recommendations in a report which has been sat on by the government. There should have been urgent attention given to the cladding over the whole country. It has taken 80+++ deaths for anything to be done. Don't try to blame Corbyn.



I'm not sure I have seen anyone blame Corbyn, what I have seen is all the usual subjects blaming the current / last govt when all the EVIDENCE quite clearly shows that this is not a failing that can be blamed on one party or the other, or for that matter one individual, department, or organisation, it would appear all involved have failed to varying degrees.

The fact that anyone who stands up and says this, i.e. it's parties / orgs of all colours that have presided over these systemic failings, is immediately accused of blaming Corbyn / supporting May is as pathetic as calling anyone who expresses genuine concerns about radical Islam, a racist.

Unfortunately Candw you and others of your ilk regularly do both 

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29/06/2017 at 07:55

"The Communities and Local Government Department says 14 high-rise buildings in nine local authorities have failed cladding tests. All Labour run authorities, all cladding fitted in 2005/06 under a Labour Government. Pre economic crash, pre Cameron, pre austerity. Oh, and one authority is Islington. Their MP for 34 years has been Jeremy Corbyn."

Time to put the political football away and sort it out cross-party.


I'm sure you read this post, chinks. And the one you quoted of mine? Put them both together and the light will come on.

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29/06/2017 at 07:57

There was a fire at Bradford city and numerous reports sent to govt - it took 96 people dead and nearly 30 years to get to the bottom of it. Justice Taylor talked about his depression at reading numerous reports warning of a tradegy.

I think that's just an error, exiled, and not an attempt at re-writing history. Yes?

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29/06/2017 at 09:28

forgot to mention the popplewell inquiry which pre dated Hilsborough but warned of safety at football grounds as did a further four before that.

No doubt the judge in Grendel tower case will say the same as they all do.

Brits don't act on warning reports

If you can't see by now that this is a cultural norm for us you are deluded.

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29/06/2017 at 10:09

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 29/06/2017 at 09:28
forgot to mention the popplewell inquiry which pre dated Hilsborough but warned of safety at football grounds as did a further four before that.

I think you did nearly mention it, but conflated it with Hillsborough. Nothing happened after Popplewell except the Cobblers main stand was demolished, never to be replaced.

No doubt the judge in Grendel tower case will say the same as they all do.

Grendel's mother is the real worry.

Brits don't act on warning reports

We don't win penalty shoot-outs, but it's about time we fucking well did. "We're British, we don't do Elf & Safety like the fucking wogs!" said in a macho tone.

If you can't see by now that this is a cultural norm for us you are deluded.

If you accept such shit, you're complicit in every death.
 

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29/06/2017 at 13:14

I don't accept it but have seen it first hand so many times i am cynical.

Brits do not react and do the right thing until things get to an outrageous state.

Tell me the last time the nation said enough is enough and acted overnight since they put Gerald Ratner out of business 

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29/06/2017 at 15:52

I can understand your cynicism, but people will have to be made to give a fuck and apply regulations that are there for the good of us all. You can't just drive on the right if you don't fancy the left, for obvious reasons. You should not ignore fire safety for equally obvious reasons.

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29/06/2017 at 16:16

Same as immigration and sub letting regs, there for a reason, and still they blame the govt for not telling us how many really died.

Truth is we'll never know, cos we have no idea who's was in the block, or for that matter who's in the UK, or even how many 'pseudonyms' they might have.



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29/06/2017 at 16:19

I lived high rise in China, and once a year at least we'd get a knock on the door and would have to show our passport on demand, that's on top of having to register at local cop shop etc., so not too bad on that score.

On the fire safety side it was weak to say the least. Virtually everyone would have landings (only 2 flats per floor) cluttered with bikes, push chairs etc, many fire doors in the older blocks with inadequate air con would be wedged open for fresh air etc. 2 weeks before the annual fire inspection we'd get a notice pinned to the door threatening confiscation and destruction of all such items along with execution of the guilty parties, if they weren't removed by such a date. All items would then be taken inside, inspection would take place then the next 50 weeks things would revert to the normal state.

To the best of my knowledge Camerons's austerity had not extended to the PRC. 

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29/06/2017 at 18:32

To the best of my knowledge Camerons's austerity had not extended to the PRC.

Could that be because they have a growing economy?

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29/06/2017 at 18:33

What would happen if the building failed the fire safety tests, Peri old bean? Would the housing association be fined? The individual? Could the building be signed off as unfit for human inhabitation if it was really bad?

The UK fire brigade used to have these powers to fine and condemn buildings but a coalition of New Labour and Tory MPs voted for these powers/safety regulations to be removed in around 1998. They stated that landlords and management teams were more than capable of doing their own safety checks.


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29/06/2017 at 18:51

Nowhere would ever fail, that would mean loss of face / conflict, which must be avoided at all costs. If however there actually was a fire the consequences for the chosen fall guys, would be very severe poss even capital punishment.

Strange but true

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29/06/2017 at 22:13

I went to Beijing a couple of years well of the tourist trail through sport and we saw a 50 story block completely burnt out Grenfell style. Of course it was no photos please but it was so big a disaster I would have expected it tombe international news anywhere else.  

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30/06/2017 at 07:41

Perhaps they fitted the aluminium cladding instead of the zinc cladding and saved £293,368?

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