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exiled CITY AFC

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26/06/2017 at 22:31

Spread across five documents (at least). proof of fit for purpose can include 'deskstop study' (google and then cut and paste)

Meanwhile Camden council discovers it is over 1,000 fire doors short of what it needs.

I have just checked mine and they are genuine fire doors.

Of course this is all the tories fault eh?  

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27/06/2017 at 07:39

Stop being silly with your "gang politics". At least your allegiance is in the open now.

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27/06/2017 at 21:36

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40418266

Worth a read if you are into facts over headline hysteria  

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28/06/2017 at 07:52

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 27/06/2017 at 21:36
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40418266

Worth a read if you are into facts over headline hysteria


The headlines never actually used the words total fuck up, but I suppose they couldn't.

I clicked on a Google search for Building Control Alliance (BCA), but mostly it said This page reserved for future use. I hope something is done to tighten things up!

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28/06/2017 at 10:09

Here's what I found on the Building Control Alliance.

http://www.firesectorfederation.co.uk/mem bership/members/building-control-alliance .php

The Tories seemed to have no problem with the Building Control Alliance watering down their safety regulations, so you could say its the Tories fault. 

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28/06/2017 at 10:29

Here are someone's thoughts on regulations etc.

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28/06/2017 at 10:32

I can't go there obi the sheer number of buildings, councils and organisations this is effecting points to a case of too many cooks not cooking.

The Tories are not blameless but by that token neither then are the others.

The threads of legislation, guidelines, policies etc. Have gotten so complicated they would make an Italian bureaucrat blush.

As you know I am not against red tape per se but FFS we need to have a sea change in attitude.

New regs in only if you can get rid of three and consolidation and simplification not just lairy throwing stuff in the bin. We have legions of people in non value adding admin roles it's time they earned some keep before we phase most of them out to recover our productivity as a nation.

Note to candy: this is regardless of pub / pri sec 

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28/06/2017 at 10:58

Quote Quote by candw on 28/06/2017 at 10:29
Here are someone's thoughts on regulations etc.


A good start but not much Engineering method in that shot gun approach.

Much better to organise enquiry into distinct groups of subject seperated at the highest level into:-

1) Root Cause of fire

2) Direct Cause of deaths

3) Secondary Causes

4) Tertiary Causes

5) Speculative matters

I don't know who trained this guy but his method is likely to be patchy and not thorough. I wouldn't have him do any work for me.

With any investigation the work must avoid fixating and speculating on matters until all of the the known and unknown unknowns are found. Only then can one start to focus into the cause(s) of the disaster and build up in clear rational order a priority of matters that have to be fixed and changed for the better. An obvious item is the admin burden in the paperwork procedures but like most untrained 'experts' he is fixated on his field of experience alone. Some engineers think their sole job is to think of all the things nobody else has thought of which seems to be a product of modern engineering education rather than using sound methodology and disciplined analysis.

Interesting mind-fart list but not that helpful and more likely to start other hares running and unhelpful politicking.

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28/06/2017 at 12:03

As you know I am not against red tape per se but FFS we need to have a sea change in attitude.

You don't always make that obvious to some of your readers.

New regs in only if you can get rid of three and consolidation and simplification not just lairy throwing stuff in the bin.

I hope this is not a dictat. Some of the three might not be able to be consolidated, but might be life saving.

We have legions of people in non value adding admin roles it's time they earned some keep before we phase most of them out to recover our productivity as a nation.

So it's Red Tape holding us back? Nothing else? Can we phase them out and "still" be safe?

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28/06/2017 at 12:50

No of course not the Maggie thatcher approach of just chopping things out willy-nilly is buffoonery of the same order as just throwing money at stuff.

There are simple easy ways of getting rid of waste and bureaucracy without compromising safety. You just have to know how to do it. If we could break the management school monopolies and far too cosy relationships certain schools have with certain politicians we could start changing the software in the heads of the managers that dream up all this shit in the first place.

I once followed a copper around London studying the paperwork required for a simple arrests it was seven different forms and loads more work back it the nick. When we presented the mountain of crap to the senior team it was them that had progressively implemented it! No thought what so ever for the frontline copper and literally no sense of irony when asking for more resources.

Meanwhile I can find, book, and board a plane with my phone and watch FFS.  

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28/06/2017 at 15:42

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28/06/2017 at 15:50

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 28/06/2017 at 12:50
No of course not the Maggie thatcher approach of just chopping things out willy-nilly is buffoonery of the same order as just throwing money at stuff.

That's something, then.

You just have to know how to do it.!!!...of the managers that dream up all this shit in the first place./b]

So they make it up for fun?

I once followed a copper around London studying the paperwork required for a simple arrests it was seven different forms and loads more work back it the nick. When we presented the mountain of crap to the senior team it was them that had progressively implemented it! No thought what so ever for the frontline copper and literally no sense of irony when asking for more resources.

The CPS would be in deep shit if your management system were put in place.

Meanwhile I can find, book, and board a plane with my phone and watch FFS.

Even if you booked under the name Mumtaz Ali?

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28/06/2017 at 20:34

He always uses his real name, Thomas Young. ScotlandDiamonds 9

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28/06/2017 at 21:35

From the house today

"The Communities and Local Government Department says 14 high-rise buildings in nine local authorities have failed cladding tests. All Labour run authorities, all cladding fitted in 2005/06 under a Labour Government. Pre economic crash, pre Cameron, pre austerity. Oh, and one authority is Islington. Their MP for 34 years has been Jeremy Corbyn."

Time to put the political football away and sort it out cross-party.  

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28/06/2017 at 22:05

You seem to ignore one slightly important fact: In 2013 there was a serious fire at Lakanal House in London. The coroner made urgent recommendations in a report which has been sat on by the government. There should have been urgent attention given to the cladding over the whole country. It has taken 80+++ deaths for anything to be done. Don't try to blame Corbyn.

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