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21/06/2017 at 18:55

Grenfell residents expressly asked for it not to happen...

Sad 

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21/06/2017 at 20:34

Bless!

It's a precursor of the "Day of Really Quite Upset" march tomorrow. Much more to the liking of you Rightists I suppose. Well, if you're not foxhunting that is.

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21/06/2017 at 23:47

Poor turn out yet still descends into violence

Organised by this veteran revolutionary who has a conviction for violence https://goo.gl/images/4sQsHd

Amazing these 70+ year old geezers are now the 'fresh face' of politics and have all the new ideas according to Ver-kids 

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22/06/2017 at 07:59

Like Huddersfield Lads away at Hull, but more shouting and fewer punches.

Anyway - Ver-kids? LOL! How are the REAL new ideas getting on? Neo-Liberalism and the old Trickle Down Theory? Shit, eh? People are really pissed off with stagnation at best, while the rich get constantly richer and still don't pay all their taxes. Back to the future.

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22/06/2017 at 08:45

Grenfell residents expressly asked for adequate safety provision for their homes.

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24/06/2017 at 02:12

any news of the Day of Rage against Camden Council - what a total fuck up there - gas pipes not lagged properly, inadequate fire doors, Council saved money by installing cheap cladding - been there over 10 years and presumably passed the annual fire test - no doubt Corbyn was overcome with emotion 

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24/06/2017 at 03:36

How does this happen with the legion of building inspectors, health and safety types, council staff paid to get all this right?


Plenty asleep on their watch for this matter it seems - no matter what party runs the council.


Evil capitalists or fucking lazy bastards?

You decide  

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24/06/2017 at 10:05

Watching these council blocks being evacuated, it's clear that 99% of the population of these social housing apartments are foreign and fairly recent arrivals. Together with ONS figures released last week that London's population has increased by 2 million since 2010...

Incredible that the UK taxpayer is subsidising these people and their families to live in central London, but not essential workers.


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24/06/2017 at 10:54

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 24/06/2017 at 03:36
How does this happen with the legion of building inspectors, health and safety types, council staff paid to get all this right?


Plenty asleep on their watch for this matter it seems - no matter what party runs the council.


Evil capitalists or fucking lazy bastards?

You decide


It starts here:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree /2017/jun/15/grenfell-tower-red-tape-safe ty-deregulation

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24/06/2017 at 11:27

Quote Quote by charon-the-ferryman on 24/06/2017 at 02:12
any news of the Day of Rage against Camden Council - what a total fuck up there - gas pipes not lagged properly, inadequate fire doors, Council saved money by installing cheap cladding - been there over 10 years and presumably passed the annual fire test - no doubt Corbyn was overcome with emotion


Sorry old boy, but your "equaliser" is completely inadequate. The Tories have such a huge lead with the deaths that I'd advise you to give up.

I've tried to look it up, but haven't got a clear picture yet. The council are considering action as the cladding was not of the correct standard requested. Perhaps you can tell me if the Councils used their own building staff for the upgrades, or did they put it out to tender to private enterprise.

People really should not trust the 'privates'. If there's a loophole of any description, they'll exploit it.

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24/06/2017 at 11:34

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 24/06/2017 at 03:36
How does this happen with the legion of building inspectors, health and safety types, council staff paid to get all this right?

Do you have a number for Camden council's 'legion' of inspectors? Or is this Private Think on council staff?

Plenty asleep on their watch for this matter it seems - no matter what party runs the council.

Don't forget, however, that it's the 'sitting on' a fire report for 4 years, by the Tories, that is being raged.

Evil capitalists or fucking lazy bastards?

Evil capitalists and fucking lazy bastards would be my decision.

 

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24/06/2017 at 11:37

"ONE IN, THREE OUT!" was the Tory cry on regulations. "BONFIRE OF THE RED TAPE!", an unfortunate phrase in the circumstances.

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24/06/2017 at 11:38

Incredible that the UK taxpayer is subsidising these people and their families to live in central London, but not essential workers.

Sorry, but are you suggesting essential workers should be burnt to death before immigrants?

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24/06/2017 at 11:54

Quote Quote by candw on 24/06/2017 at 11:27


Sorry old boy, but your "equaliser" is completely inadequate. The Tories have such a huge lead with the deaths that I'd advise you to give up.

I've tried to look it up, but haven't got a clear picture yet. The council are considering action as the cladding was not of the correct standard requested. Perhaps you can tell me if the Councils used their own building staff for the upgrades, or did they put it out to tender to private enterprise.

People really should not trust the 'privates'. If there's a loophole of any description, they'll exploit it.


so it's ok to install cheap cladding so long as no-one gets burned - it really makes you wonder why Labour decided to save £2 a tile during a period of a Labour Government that had opened the floodgates in much the same way Viv Nicholson did 

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24/06/2017 at 12:08

No, but when urgent recommendations are made to the government by a coroner, with specific reference to these tiles, and it is 'shelved', that's the concern. And in both cases the council specified a perticular type of tile and the private company cheated.

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24/06/2017 at 12:15

And NO, it doesn't make it OK for the Tories to do today what Labour did 10 years ago.

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24/06/2017 at 13:13

Candy as predicted there are now councils, hotels, office blocks etc up and down the county finding out they are in exactly the same position. If you didn't think this was going to be pan-political then you are either stupid or having been living in a bubble..

The police have finally released the model number of the fridge and confirmed that the tiles didn't even meet the standard.

We all know that the regulations and red tape that have grown up over Decades don't make much safer they just provide a box ticking and arse covering for everyone down the line. What we find will be an indictment on modern Britain its love of red tape, zero responsibility and armies of non-value-added layers of bureaucrats that kill our productivity.

Left and right will be complicit - the only difference will be on whose roulette colour the actual fire happened.  

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24/06/2017 at 13:50

Quote Quote by candw on 24/06/2017 at 12:08
No, but when urgent recommendations are made to the government by a coroner, with specific reference to these tiles, and it is 'shelved', that's the concern. And in both cases the council specified a perticular type of tile and the private company cheated.


'perticular' - the only thing that is consistent across all these cases is public sector council workers  

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24/06/2017 at 15:35

Tories lie, you're a Tory, so you write council for private sector. It has been noted.

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24/06/2017 at 15:45

We all know that the regulations and red tape that have grown up over Decades don't make much safer they just provide a box ticking and arse covering for everyone down the line.

Nonsense. That's not the regulations themselves, it's the attitude of people in this country to work.

What we find will be an indictment on modern Britain its love of red tape, zero responsibility and armies of non-value-added layers of bureaucrats that kill our productivity.

It's hatred of regulations - red tape to make it sound evil - and any standards imposed. Individual responsibility should be taken and above these are people charged with making sure regulations are followed. "Armies" Bureaucrats kill out productivity, in your opinion, regulation dodging kills people.

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25/06/2017 at 00:53

It's clear that people stop complying to regulations as soon as they become more of a burden than the actual work. Same with signs and instructions. Don't believe me?

When you download stuff from the Internet or read through pages of terms and conditions you always read it before ticking 'I Agree' do you?

Do you fuck - and if you think everyone whose job involves reams and reams of similar shit is spent pouring over the fine details of regulations is some kind of forensic form follower you are sadly mistaken.

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25/06/2017 at 08:40

...is spent pouring over the fine details of regulations...

Jim: Where have you got to?

Bill: Fire fucking regulations

Jim: What's it say?

Bill: Fuck it, I can't be arsed.

Should never be heard ANYWHERE.

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25/06/2017 at 09:25

...is spent pouring over the fine details of regulations...

Jim: Where have you got to?

Bill: Fire fucking regulations

Jim: What's it say?

Bill: Fuck it, I can't be arsed.

Should never be heard ANYWHERE.

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25/06/2017 at 12:45

Quote Quote by candw on 25/06/2017 at 08:40
...is spent pouring over the fine details of regulations...

Jim: Where have you got to?

Bill: Fire fucking regulations

Jim: What's it say?

Bill: Fuck it, I can't be arsed.

Should never be heard ANYWHERE.


Shouldn't but it clearly has up and down the land. There are fucking armies of office workers who have a hard hat and high viz jacket by their desks whose job it is to do this stuff, Our construction sector has one of the highest productivity records in Europe at actually laying bricks and pouring concrete but the lowest when you add all the pen pushers, supervisors, rsk managers, health and safety etc. The result is low productivity and shit buildings - well done brilliant  

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25/06/2017 at 13:26

and most of the staff checking health and safety probably went on a half day training course to consider trip hazards etc - totally inadequate - been there done that 

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25/06/2017 at 13:46

Let's hope that all the "fuck the red tapers " end up in jail for a long time! 

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25/06/2017 at 14:19

Quote Quote by charon-the-ferryman on 25/06/2017 at 13:26
and most of the staff checking health and safety probably went on a half day training course to consider trip hazards etc - totally inadequate - been there done that


UK construction sites are some of the safest in the world. Deaths have halved over the last thirty years.

That indicates the health and safety regulations are working.

I'll take the hard factual data over your 'probably' statements.


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25/06/2017 at 14:53

Quote Quote by charon-the-ferryman on 25/06/2017 at 13:26
and most of the staff checking health and safety probably went on a half day training course to consider trip hazards etc - totally inadequate - been there done that


Of course they are. Of course you have. You are the biggest advertisement for the need for rigorous H&S rules on this board. Well, along with Lord Saccharin, of course. He's so stupid he compares fire regulations for tower blocks with people not reading all the instructions for their iPad.

I can't believe you are arguing as you are just after people burned to death because substandard cladding was used. And that it was fixed incorrectly.

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25/06/2017 at 17:45

Quote Quote by essexgull on 25/06/2017 at 14:19


UK construction sites are some of the safest in the world. Deaths have halved over the last thirty years.

That indicates the health and safety regulations are working.

I'll take the hard factual data over your 'probably' statements.


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They have done this but at the expense of productivity because British mentality is add someone checking rather than engineer out the intrinsic danger - there are plenty of other nations and sectors where they have solved the safety without screwing productivity. We excel at creating jobs where people love telling you NO but not how.

Jobsworths are a uniquely British invention 

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25/06/2017 at 17:55

The majority of accidents on construction sites are caused by fairly mundane reasons... Falls, trips, equipment dropping. If a safety inspector walking around reminding workers to be careful, keep the workplace tidy of hazards and penalising those who refuse to wear harnesses near edges, is effectively halving the death rate from thirty years ago, they're hardly a jobsworth.

I take it that you and Charon don't work as labourers on construction sites, so health and safety rules are seen merely as hindering speed and productivity rather than protecting those working at the coalface.

This forum delights in listing the numbers killed by communism, it would be interesting if the usual suspects quantified those killed due to the greed and pursuit of profit of those urgently seeking it.


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