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Dr Victor Ehrlich

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18/06/2017 at 15:02

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 18/06/2017 at 02:26
...completed in 74

So planning, funding, and building started under the Tories. I see you ignore your other incorrect points. You really SHOULD be a politician, as many of them (exactly like yourself) refuse to admit when they're in error. ScotlandDiamonds 9

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candw

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18/06/2017 at 17:13

Far fewer are blaming the Ethiopian's fridge than are blaming the cladding etc, exiled. Just saying.

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18/06/2017 at 17:57

That's because the hysteria is now OFF the scale and the diversionary tactics have worked 100%

This disaster was claimed by the left and has been milked to suit.

Gap between rich and poor
Tory council doing something a labour council would never (yeah right)
Crap disaster planning
Cold prime minister

What was the root cause - oh don't worry about that we have some tories to lynch.

Too bad there isn't even 5% of this when the muzzies kick off.  

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18/06/2017 at 18:50

The root case of the whole building burning so quickly and fatally seems to be the type of cladding and way it has been fitted, which Philip Hammond today stated should not have been fitted to a building of this height.

If safer cladding material or none at all had been used, the fire would have been isolated to one floor, as was the intention of the architects that originally designed the building.

As for the politicising of the tragedy, it's almost as if a large group of people have been complaining about social housing cuts, privatisation and profiteering of social housing, cuts to safety regulations and tax and overall benefits which gerrymander areas and hand the power over to the wealthy living in them, for the past decade and that their warnings of fatalities have been proven correct by the fire.


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Dr Victor Ehrlich

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18/06/2017 at 19:59

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 18/06/2017 at 17:57
That's because the hysteria is now OFF the scale and the diversionary tactics have worked 100%

This disaster was claimed by the left and has been milked to suit.

Gap between rich and poor
Tory council doing something a labour council would never (yeah right)
Crap disaster planning
Cold prime minister

What was the root cause - oh don't worry about that we have some tories to lynch.

Too bad there isn't even 5% of this when the muzzies kick off.


Diversionary tactics indeed, a stonewall refusal to admit when you're error. As for rich and poor and a cold PM, show us a link where many from their local community has condemned HM Queen after her visit. Your 'chum' Sadiq Khan called it right, a failure of past governments, of both political persuasion, and the local authority. The root cause is widely reported as a faulty fridge, (as yet no one seems know if it was an old or new fridge) but the overwhelming fact is the fire should have been contained, it wasn't and that is plain wrong. ScotlandDiamonds 9

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candw

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18/06/2017 at 20:05

Too bad there isn't even 5% of this when the muzzies kick off.

Very, very similar events that bear close comparison. Nail in your head!

After this post I can quite honestly say that if you were just a little more intelligent you'd be as thick as pig shit.

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18/06/2017 at 22:48

Quote Quote by essexgull on 18/06/2017 at 18:50
The root case of the whole building burning so quickly and fatally seems to be the type of cladding and way it has been fitted, which Philip Hammond today stated should not have been fitted to a building of this height.

If safer cladding material or none at all had been used, the fire would have been isolated to one floor, as was the intention of the architects that originally designed the building.

As for the politicising of the tragedy, it's almost as if a large group of people have been complaining about social housing cuts, privatisation and profiteering of social housing, cuts to safety regulations and tax and overall benefits which gerrymander areas and hand the power over to the wealthy living in them, for the past decade and that their warnings of fatalities have been proven correct by the fire.
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There speaks someone who doesn't understand the difference between root cause and direct cause.

What is happening is typical of a society that constantly misses the essential points and finds its solutions don't work.

No doubt the cladding was a factor but it didn't spontaneously combust. The whole country is acting as if it did.

Likewise having a Tory council is not a direct cause (many labour councils have refurbed buildings in the same way) but again people are acting as if it is.

In council buildings up and down the land and in the private sector we will see the kind of decisions and inevitable mistakes that someone will eventually be strung up for. Maybe we will have a hilsborough style cover up and campaign. As I said before heads will roll but plugs won't be changed and we will continue to languish at the bottom of the productivity league for the exact same reasons.

Stupidity is not exclusive to any political doctrine.

Meanwhile in the tower blocks up and down the land the root cause of this fire is going completely un-checked and that's a FACT

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19/06/2017 at 07:45

ROOT cause = a match and an entire building is rapidly engulfed in flames. Yeah, right!

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19/06/2017 at 08:38

It's like discussing 9-11 and avoiding talking about planes.

The cladding in the WTC must have been not up to scratch either  

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19/06/2017 at 09:14

A flat caught fire and within minutes the whole block was engulfed in flames. I would say there was a problem with the cladding, it didn't slow down the flames but helped spread them. The double glazing wouldn't have helped, neither would having exposed gas pipes on the landings.

In the 60s and 70s when large numbers of high rises were built they had concrete cladding and metal windows. Some councils refused to put families above the 5th floor. It doesn't take a genius to work out why.

The council own the flats and they are managed by a private company. I would say the residents deserve answers and quickly. I'm angry living in Hull so imagine how they feel. The left should be applauded for channeling that anger into something constructive.

A public enquiry is a way shoving it into the long grass like the enquiry into the sexual abuse of children.

Finally, the twin towers weren't designed to withstand the impact of a large passenger plane, after all its not a common everyday occurrence. High rise flats should be designed in such a way that a small fire in a kitchen doesn't destroy the whole block with a huge loss of life.

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19/06/2017 at 09:42

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 19/06/2017 at 08:38
It's like discussing 9-11 and avoiding talking about planes.

The cladding in the WTC must have been not up to scratch either


Let's talk about a dodgy fridge and ignore all the rest. After all, the fridge belonged to an Ethiopian and they're well known for not having sprinklers over there.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/03/13/19/32273BAD00000578-3490044-image-a-5_1457897497814.jpg

Here's a plane hit by a BIRD.

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19/06/2017 at 10:01

I suppose this should be an indictment, but is probably a lucky let-off.: Kensington & Chelsea Council has built just 10 units of social housing in the last 28 years.

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19/06/2017 at 11:24

I am familiar with the bird strike issue in planes and cars - are you sure you don't want to sue the plane maker for making the paint too slippery.  

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19/06/2017 at 14:40

A pity they can't make the paint slippery enough to deflect towers.

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19/06/2017 at 19:41

Quote Quote by essexgull on 17/06/2017 at 14:10
My car has a five star ncap rating.


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...and for pedestrians it is what star.....? 

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