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11/06/2017 at 08:34

Seems the Tories introduced a law in 2015 which stops the DUP supporting a Tory government on most of its domestic legislation. Same applies to the Tory MPs in Scotland. No wonder Downing Street has withdrawn its statement saying agreement had been reached between May and the DUP less than 24 hours after making it.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics/1533 9860.Pete_Wishart__EVEL_rule_will_have_to _be_dumped_for_Tory_DUP_pact_to_function/ ?ref=rss

It seems the current Conservative Party really is totally incompetent. 

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11/06/2017 at 08:42

so how does that help the hapless Corbyn, he's 56 seats behind with only a rag tag and bobtail of LDs and an independent - he's miles behind - it's only Corbyn who thinks he's got a chance of government, he's over 140 seats behind Blair when he was in power - Corbyn's attempt at changing politics back to the seventies has been a catastrophic failure - he lost and lost big 

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11/06/2017 at 09:58

Quote Quote by charon-the-ferryman on 11/06/2017 at 08:42
so how does that help the hapless Corbyn, he's 56 seats behind with only a rag tag and bobtail of LDs and an independent - he's miles behind - it's only Corbyn who thinks he's got a chance of government, he's over 140 seats behind Blair when he was in power - Corbyn's attempt at changing politics back to the seventies has been a catastrophic failure - he lost and lost big


Are you genuinely stupid?

Corbyn was a mere 3000 votes in the right places from winning the election. If you can't see the sea change in generational opinion and a good result despite every mainstream media source being against him, you're deluded.

Under-35s just aren't voting Conservative. Over-65s just aren't voting Labour. The latter are the dwindling number for obvious reasons.


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11/06/2017 at 10:02

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 11/06/2017 at 08:34
Seems the Tories introduced a law in 2015 which stops the DUP supporting a Tory government on most of its domestic legislation. Same applies to the Tory MPs in Scotland. No wonder Downing Street has withdrawn its statement saying agreement had been reached between May and the DUP less than 24 hours after making it.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics/1533 9860.Pete_Wishart__EVEL_rule_will_have_to _be_dumped_for_Tory_DUP_pact_to_function/ ?ref=rss

It seems the current Conservative Party really is totally incompetent.


I imagine the Tories will scratch the law that supposedly guaranteed English votes for English decisions to be able to make their government. This will, of course, be hotly disputed by those on here who demanded English representation during the 2000s.

It's incredible that UK law does not have to be followed in NI. To deny women the right to abortion is absurd.


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11/06/2017 at 10:32

This sudden liberal hysteria about the DUP is strange.

Their policies seem perfectly normal to me, they also have a very strong record on social policies, health & education.

The post-brexit border with the Republic is probably a bigger issue than moralising over abortion, I don't think we'll be able to put a hard border in there so will need security negotiations with Ireland. About time the DUP came into focus instead of the air time given to the SNP, welcome onboard good unionists.  

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11/06/2017 at 11:03

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 11/06/2017 at 10:32
This sudden liberal hysteria about the DUP is strange.

Their policies seem perfectly normal to me, they also have a very strong record on social policies, health & education.

The post-brexit border with the Republic is probably a bigger issue than moralising over abortion, I don't think we'll be able to put a hard border in there so will need security negotiations with Ireland. About time the DUP came into focus instead of the air time given to the SNP, welcome onboard good unionists.


Its not strange at all given their links to the UDA and the fuss the Tories made of Corbyn talking to Sinn Fein.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ge neral-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-fost er-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murde r-in-bangor-35776873.html

The rest is politics to show how desperate the Tories are if they climb into bed with them. There is a lot more in common between the SNP and Labour then there is between the DUP and the Tories. Yet May called one a coalition of chaos and is now trying to come to an agreement with the DUP to remain in power.

No border in Ireland means a soft Brexit and the single market. The only party that can deliver that for the DUP is Labour. We live in interesting times.  

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11/06/2017 at 11:08

This forum is hard to gauge - most of you hate Muslims because they discriminate against women, gays, alcohol drinkers and other religions - the reasons you give, yet you regard the DUP as good...

Strange. Almost as if you don't actually have any real valid excuses, so adopt those that fit in each case.


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11/06/2017 at 11:21

This sudden liberal hysteria about the DUP is strange.

Is it possible that we normally hear little and care less about NI dinosaurs and their tribal religions, but find them pushed forward to save the job of the worst PM we have ever had foisted upon us? Strange, my arse, as they say!

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11/06/2017 at 11:24

Quote Quote by essexgull on 11/06/2017 at 09:58


Are you genuinely stupid?

Corbyn was a mere 3000 votes in the right places from winning the election. If you can't see the sea change in generational opinion and a good result despite every mainstream media source being against him, you're deluded.

Under-35s just aren't voting Conservative. Over-65s just aren't voting Labour. The latter are the dwindling number for obvious reasons.


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and the under 35s are a dwindling number as well - do you not understand that everyone gets older - over 2.5 million additional people voted Tory this time compared to 2015 - massive anti Corbyn and anti Sturgeon vote even with the so called Dementia tax people still voted Tory - the whole Labour vote was based on the greed of the young- the promise of a £9000 refund and the possible loss of mummy and daddy's inheritance - without that vote Labour would have been blown right out of the water  

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11/06/2017 at 11:34

Christ, you really are a stupid cunt, chazza. Your posts are so ridiculous you must be a 'fake news bot'.

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11/06/2017 at 11:41

...over 2.5 million additional people voted Tory this time compared to 2015 - massive anti Corbyn and anti Sturgeon vote even with the so called Dementia tax people still voted Tory

1) 2.3 million is not over 2.5 million
2) Labour vote was up by 3.4 million - massively anti-Corbyn
3) Nicola Sturgeon? So?

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11/06/2017 at 11:47

Quote Quote by charon-the-ferryman on 11/06/2017 at 11:24


and the under 35s are a dwindling number as well - do you not understand that everyone gets older - over 2.5 million additional people voted Tory this time compared to 2015 - massive anti Corbyn and anti Sturgeon vote even with the so called Dementia tax people still voted Tory - the whole Labour vote was based on the greed of the young- the promise of a £9000 refund and the possible loss of mummy and daddy's inheritance - without that vote Labour would have been blown right out of the water


Greed?

Your/our generation, rather than accepting that we had built up a society based on a debt bubble and entirely fuelled by debt consumerism, decided to pass the bill onto our children and grandchildren to deal with and in doing so, inflated asset prices and share prices to guarantee that pensions remained for that generation... rather than accepting the haircuts and losses necessary to flush the system. The most treacherous action and least patriotic move ever seen in history... screw the future as long as we're alright.

Your comments are completely off-the-wall as you've become more entrenched in a ridiculously partisan position... the last man standing defending May and her policies. "Mummy and Daddy's inheritance"... Corbyn wants inheritance tax thresholds lowered.. so if this was a reason why vote for him? Utter bunkum as usual.


As for DUP... Paisley and his family were never fans of the English or the Union - they used it/us as a vehicle and justification to spread their brand of evangelical protestantism across NI and used the excuse of unionism to attack and defeat Catholicism. Paisley openly described the English as heathens, sinners, whores, drunkards etc. His views couldn't have been more opposite to the majority of the English, barring the Islamic radicals that lived in the UK during his reign. The UK government supported him in the 60s/70s thinking along the 'enemies enemy' line... as they did with Al-Qaeda and ISIS in later decades.. but then soon realised he was out of control and even discussed passing info to the IRA to get him expired... He was an enemy of the union as he did all he could to disrupt and segregate it. He recanted many of his views in later life, yet was responsible for the deaths of many on the same level as his mortal enemies. An enemy of Britain. His legacy is now maybe in a pivotal place in the UK government - one upside being that this move could really see the end of the Conservatives as we know them... potentially ending the two party state we have had for decades, barring the LD coalition..


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11/06/2017 at 11:55

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 11/06/2017 at 11:03


Its not strange at all given their links to the UDA and the fuss the Tories made of Corbyn talking to Sinn Fein.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ge neral-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-fost er-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murde r-in-bangor-35776873.html

The rest is politics to show how desperate the Tories are if they climb into bed with them. There is a lot more in common between the SNP and Labour then there is between the DUP and the Tories. Yet May called one a coalition of chaos and is now trying to come to an agreement with the DUP to remain in power.

No border in Ireland means a soft Brexit and the single market. The only party that can deliver that for the DUP is Labour. We live in interesting times.


All parties in NI seem to have dialogue with each other now, I'd expect Arlene Foster to have some dialogue with the UDA in which she encourages them to decist from terrorism. I don't criticize dialogue, only Corbyn's sympathies with the aims of Sinn Fein as I'm an Ulster Loyalist myself.

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11/06/2017 at 12:05

Gully, you try to draw parallels between Islamic fundamentals and the Christian sectarianism of Ulster, one has been part of our history since before 1690 and the other is nothing to do with our culture or way of life.

I never saw Ian Paisley as an enemy of Britain.  

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11/06/2017 at 12:06

I'm not surprised, teddie. Keep the Taigs in their place, eh?

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11/06/2017 at 12:11

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 11/06/2017 at 12:05
Gully, you try to draw parallels between Islamic fundamentals and the Christian sectarianism of Ulster, one has been part of our history since before 1690 and the other is nothing to do with our culture or way of life.

I never saw Ian Paisley as an enemy of Britain.


Paisley spent the majority of his working life not wanting peace, but war. He recanted this in the last decade of his life. The vast majority of Britain wants peace.. so to promote and encourage civil war among British citizens made him an enemy of Britain.

Aside from you and a handful of football supporters from Burnley and Glasgow Rangers, the vast majority of Brits couldn't give a monkey's chuff what type of Christian religion each other follows.. as long as their families are safe.

His particular form of evangelicalism was pretty much anti-everything that the majority of English, from children to the elderly, believe. I'm amazed that a small handful including you were happy to ally with him. His preferred lifestyle wasn't that different from the Islamic one you now campaign against.


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Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 11/06/2017 at 12:05
Gully, you try to draw parallels between Islamic fundamentals and the Christian sectarianism of Ulster, one has been part of our history since before 1690 and the other is nothing to do with our culture or way of life.

I never saw Ian Paisley as an enemy of Britain.


You are happy to airbrush history, teddie. The treatment of the native Irish - as opposed to Protestants brought in as colonists - has been fucking abominable for centuries, rising to it's peak with the Famine. And as for Paisley, the bigoted cunt was an enemy of all humanity.

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11/06/2017 at 12:14

Quote Quote by candw on 11/06/2017 at 12:06
I'm not surprised, teddie. Keep the Taigs in their place, eh?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCCN0zHW0AAfL8q.jpg



As I've written several times on this thread, it's completely mental that the like of Ted, Bile and Sharon align themselves with these people who are as equally opposed to the English way of life as Islamists are.


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11/06/2017 at 12:18

Nothing wrong in upholding protestant values in a protestant country.  

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Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 11/06/2017 at 12:18
Nothing wrong in upholding protestant values in a protestant country.


A backwards Middle East religion infesting a corner of the UK, Ted old bean.

The values were never that important for a huge number of protestants until the likes of Paisley made them so and was supported by an idiotic, gullible intelligence service funding both sides for decades, until Major and Blair brought a stop to it.

Odd you declare yourself in support when you've lived your life in direct contravention of many of their doctrines.


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11/06/2017 at 18:47

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 11/06/2017 at 12:18
Nothing wrong in upholding protestant values in a protestant country.

The island of Ireland is majority catholic, as it still will be when the North is part of the Republic, which is inevitable. Ireland
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11/06/2017 at 20:28

Quote Quote by essexgull on 11/06/2017 at 09:58


Are you genuinely stupid?

Corbyn was a mere 3000 votes in the right places from winning the election. If you can't see the sea change in generational opinion and a good result despite every mainstream media source being against him, you're deluded.

Under-35s just aren't voting Conservative. Over-65s just aren't voting Labour. The latter are the dwindling number for obvious reasons.


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Agreed Gull if people had voted differently, the result may well have been different. Your a bit of a simpleton really because Corbyn won so why are you posting saying he could have won?

Fuck the short term we will build a 1000 year Hull City Reich 

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11/06/2017 at 22:45

Strange readings on what can only go down as the most spectacularly HUGE fuck up by a serving PM ever.

Teresa May's strategy was the worse ever - as if just repeating "strong and stable" ad nausum would be enough.

JC Went from an inept and authority free leader to looking like champion of the many week on week. He was he one appearing at lock out rallies and making a big show of pace and numbers that led enough people to be able to think socialist again. May came across as the tough talking (only after the event) vicars daughter who wasn't allowed to play out after dark and never did anything real people do ever.

However....

As always the volume of the vote rather than pure seats tells the real story as both labour and the Tories gained votes. The fringe parties meanwhile lost big so...the only real story is we have become a genuine two party state again and at last you can put some air between labour and the conservatives. The irony of ironies is that the lunatic fringe (sorry ted the DUP are unreconstructed theocrats whose sell by date is long passed) are being used to save May's skin. If she was a REAL leader she would call it in with the British people and say, I can't work with this I am calling another election and you either "back me in numbers for the Brexit you want or you vote labour properly and put them in the seat with Brussels - you choose".

A coalition of chaos is what we have now got and we will be going nowhere fast on brexit except for fudge after fudge.

The youth vote meanwhile is hardly a surprise....Brexit was their wake-up call that a like on Facebook is not a vote and that the only party politican actually speaking to them was an outsider maverick who whatever he is looks less like a fake than all the rest.

As gull says their outlook is bleak, unless they realise they can create a job rather than ask for one and he Tories have missed creating an enterprise youth culture open goal as they have been transfixed by their doddery old membership base.

Most will as usual become more right wing as they age simply due to the fact that they learn about money and the way governments like to (mix) spend it but in the meantime they genuinely believe that corbzee has 'fresh' and 'new' ideas and many things. That might be incredulous to many of us but if you never lived through any kind of socialist government and were born after the Berlin Wall fell these ideas seem ground-breaking.

I predict a widening generational gap and if Momentum wills it street level protests that will kill this lashed up government in short order.

Interesting times (for a change) 

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12/06/2017 at 11:34

Most will as usual become more right wing as they age simply due to the fact that they learn about money and the way governments like to (mix) spend it but in the meantime they genuinely believe that corbzee has 'fresh' and 'new' ideas and many things. That might be incredulous to many of us but if you never lived through any kind of socialist government and were born after the Berlin Wall fell these ideas seem ground-breaking.

Oh dear, how quaint! How condescending! And from a man who's delighted to be back in an age when we were our own masters and our buccaneers sailed the seas to enrich our majesties and our realm - only with no colonies to loot.

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13/06/2017 at 15:09

Typical - jokey response of ridicule when faced with sensible post.

A no comment would have been enough... 

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13/06/2017 at 15:29

Sensible post? Fuck off! You're a grown up now, are you? Came to your senses? Lots of other grown ups came to totally different realities, as equally valid as yours, or more so. Sneering and sensible both start with the same letter, perhaps that's how you got them mixed up?

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What part was 'sneering' in my post...?

You do know that 50% of how you 'read' communication is your interpretation of it... 

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The whole paragraph about them not knowing what the real world is all about, but you do. 

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It's called age and wisdom in most other cultures and those not suffering from arrested development... 

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 11/06/2017 at 09:58


Are you genuinely stupid?

Corbyn was a mere 3000 votes in the right places from winning the election. If you can't see the sea change in generational opinion and a good result despite every mainstream media source being against him, you're deluded.

Under-35s just aren't voting Conservative. Over-65s just aren't voting Labour. The latter are the dwindling number for obvious reasons.


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Yes, but as the younger ones grow up and mature they will see sense and change their views. What Clemenceau said regarding this still holds true. 

2005 Labour got 355 seats from 35.2 % of the vote on a 62.4% turnout. 2015 Tories got 331 seats from 36.9% of the vote on a 661% turnout. Left wing fannies moan the second one is sooooo unfair and we need electoral reform. But didn't utter a peep,about the first one. 

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