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Obadiah

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11/06/2017 at 08:34

Seems the Tories introduced a law in 2015 which stops the DUP supporting a Tory government on most of its domestic legislation. Same applies to the Tory MPs in Scotland. No wonder Downing Street has withdrawn its statement saying agreement had been reached between May and the DUP less than 24 hours after making it.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics/1533 9860.Pete_Wishart__EVEL_rule_will_have_to _be_dumped_for_Tory_DUP_pact_to_function/ ?ref=rss

It seems the current Conservative Party really is totally incompetent. 

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11/06/2017 at 08:42

so how does that help the hapless Corbyn, he's 56 seats behind with only a rag tag and bobtail of LDs and an independent - he's miles behind - it's only Corbyn who thinks he's got a chance of government, he's over 140 seats behind Blair when he was in power - Corbyn's attempt at changing politics back to the seventies has been a catastrophic failure - he lost and lost big 

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11/06/2017 at 09:58

Quote Quote by charon-the-ferryman on 11/06/2017 at 08:42
so how does that help the hapless Corbyn, he's 56 seats behind with only a rag tag and bobtail of LDs and an independent - he's miles behind - it's only Corbyn who thinks he's got a chance of government, he's over 140 seats behind Blair when he was in power - Corbyn's attempt at changing politics back to the seventies has been a catastrophic failure - he lost and lost big


Are you genuinely stupid?

Corbyn was a mere 3000 votes in the right places from winning the election. If you can't see the sea change in generational opinion and a good result despite every mainstream media source being against him, you're deluded.

Under-35s just aren't voting Conservative. Over-65s just aren't voting Labour. The latter are the dwindling number for obvious reasons.


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11/06/2017 at 10:02

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 11/06/2017 at 08:34
Seems the Tories introduced a law in 2015 which stops the DUP supporting a Tory government on most of its domestic legislation. Same applies to the Tory MPs in Scotland. No wonder Downing Street has withdrawn its statement saying agreement had been reached between May and the DUP less than 24 hours after making it.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics/1533 9860.Pete_Wishart__EVEL_rule_will_have_to _be_dumped_for_Tory_DUP_pact_to_function/ ?ref=rss

It seems the current Conservative Party really is totally incompetent.


I imagine the Tories will scratch the law that supposedly guaranteed English votes for English decisions to be able to make their government. This will, of course, be hotly disputed by those on here who demanded English representation during the 2000s.

It's incredible that UK law does not have to be followed in NI. To deny women the right to abortion is absurd.


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11/06/2017 at 10:32

This sudden liberal hysteria about the DUP is strange.

Their policies seem perfectly normal to me, they also have a very strong record on social policies, health & education.

The post-brexit border with the Republic is probably a bigger issue than moralising over abortion, I don't think we'll be able to put a hard border in there so will need security negotiations with Ireland. About time the DUP came into focus instead of the air time given to the SNP, welcome onboard good unionists.  

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11/06/2017 at 11:03

Quote Quote by TedLloyd on 11/06/2017 at 10:32
This sudden liberal hysteria about the DUP is strange.

Their policies seem perfectly normal to me, they also have a very strong record on social policies, health & education.

The post-brexit border with the Republic is probably a bigger issue than moralising over abortion, I don't think we'll be able to put a hard border in there so will need security negotiations with Ireland. About time the DUP came into focus instead of the air time given to the SNP, welcome onboard good unionists.


Its not strange at all given their links to the UDA and the fuss the Tories made of Corbyn talking to Sinn Fein.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ge neral-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-fost er-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murde r-in-bangor-35776873.html

The rest is politics to show how desperate the Tories are if they climb into bed with them. There is a lot more in common between the SNP and Labour then there is between the DUP and the Tories. Yet May called one a coalition of chaos and is now trying to come to an agreement with the DUP to remain in power.

No border in Ireland means a soft Brexit and the single market. The only party that can deliver that for the DUP is Labour. We live in interesting times.  

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11/06/2017 at 11:08

This forum is hard to gauge - most of you hate Muslims because they discriminate against women, gays, alcohol drinkers and other religions - the reasons you give, yet you regard the DUP as good...

Strange. Almost as if you don't actually have any real valid excuses, so adopt those that fit in each case.


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11/06/2017 at 11:21

This sudden liberal hysteria about the DUP is strange.

Is it possible that we normally hear little and care less about NI dinosaurs and their tribal religions, but find them pushed forward to save the job of the worst PM we have ever had foisted upon us? Strange, my arse, as they say!

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11/06/2017 at 11:24

Quote Quote by essexgull on 11/06/2017 at 09:58


Are you genuinely stupid?

Corbyn was a mere 3000 votes in the right places from winning the election. If you can't see the sea change in generational opinion and a good result despite every mainstream media source being against him, you're deluded.

Under-35s just aren't voting Conservative. Over-65s just aren't voting Labour. The latter are the dwindling number for obvious reasons.


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and the under 35s are a dwindling number as well - do you not understand that everyone gets older - over 2.5 million additional people voted Tory this time compared to 2015 - massive anti Corbyn and anti Sturgeon vote even with the so called Dementia tax people still voted Tory - the whole Labour vote was based on the greed of the young- the promise of a £9000 refund and the possible loss of mummy and daddy's inheritance - without that vote Labour would have been blown right out of the water  

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11/06/2017 at 11:34

Christ, you really are a stupid cunt, chazza. Your posts are so ridiculous you must be a 'fake news bot'.

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11/06/2017 at 11:41

...over 2.5 million additional people voted Tory this time compared to 2015 - massive anti Corbyn and anti Sturgeon vote even with the so called Dementia tax people still voted Tory

1) 2.3 million is not over 2.5 million
2) Labour vote was up by 3.4 million - massively anti-Corbyn
3) Nicola Sturgeon? So?

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11/06/2017 at 11:47

Quote Quote by charon-the-ferryman on 11/06/2017 at 11:24


and the under 35s are a dwindling number as well - do you not understand that everyone gets older - over 2.5 million additional people voted Tory this time compared to 2015 - massive anti Corbyn and anti Sturgeon vote even with the so called Dementia tax people still voted Tory - the whole Labour vote was based on the greed of the young- the promise of a £9000 refund and the possible loss of mummy and daddy's inheritance - without that vote Labour would have been blown right out of the water


Greed?

Your/our generation, rather than accepting that we had built up a society based on a debt bubble and entirely fuelled by debt consumerism, decided to pass the bill onto our children and grandchildren to deal with and in doing so, inflated asset prices and share prices to guarantee that pensions remained for that generation... rather than accepting the haircuts and losses necessary to flush the system. The most treacherous action and least patriotic move ever seen in history... screw the future as long as we're alright.

Your comments are completely off-the-wall as you've become more entrenched in a ridiculously partisan position... the last man standing defending May and her policies. "Mummy and Daddy's inheritance"... Corbyn wants inheritance tax thresholds lowered.. so if this was a reason why vote for him? Utter bunkum as usual.


As for DUP... Paisley and his family were never fans of the English or the Union - they used it/us as a vehicle and justification to spread their brand of evangelical protestantism across NI and used the excuse of unionism to attack and defeat Catholicism. Paisley openly described the English as heathens, sinners, whores, drunkards etc. His views couldn't have been more opposite to the majority of the English, barring the Islamic radicals that lived in the UK during his reign. The UK government supported him in the 60s/70s thinking along the 'enemies enemy' line... as they did with Al-Qaeda and ISIS in later decades.. but then soon realised he was out of control and even discussed passing info to the IRA to get him expired... He was an enemy of the union as he did all he could to disrupt and segregate it. He recanted many of his views in later life, yet was responsible for the deaths of many on the same level as his mortal enemies. An enemy of Britain. His legacy is now maybe in a pivotal place in the UK government - one upside being that this move could really see the end of the Conservatives as we know them... potentially ending the two party state we have had for decades, barring the LD coalition..


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11/06/2017 at 11:55

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 11/06/2017 at 11:03


Its not strange at all given their links to the UDA and the fuss the Tories made of Corbyn talking to Sinn Fein.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ge neral-election-2017/dup-chief-arlene-fost er-met-uda-boss-days-after-loyalist-murde r-in-bangor-35776873.html

The rest is politics to show how desperate the Tories are if they climb into bed with them. There is a lot more in common between the SNP and Labour then there is between the DUP and the Tories. Yet May called one a coalition of chaos and is now trying to come to an agreement with the DUP to remain in power.

No border in Ireland means a soft Brexit and the single market. The only party that can deliver that for the DUP is Labour. We live in interesting times.


All parties in NI seem to have dialogue with each other now, I'd expect Arlene Foster to have some dialogue with the UDA in which she encourages them to decist from terrorism. I don't criticize dialogue, only Corbyn's sympathies with the aims of Sinn Fein as I'm an Ulster Loyalist myself.

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11/06/2017 at 12:05

Gully, you try to draw parallels between Islamic fundamentals and the Christian sectarianism of Ulster, one has been part of our history since before 1690 and the other is nothing to do with our culture or way of life.

I never saw Ian Paisley as an enemy of Britain.  

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11/06/2017 at 12:06

I'm not surprised, teddie. Keep the Taigs in their place, eh?

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