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candw

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14/03/2017 at 19:07

Aren't we?

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exiled CITY AFC

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14/03/2017 at 22:37

We seem to have a generation of really really shit parents who can't even sort the basics out for the kids they have...

It takes a couple to create a baby and also one to raise a kid IMHO.

Way too many single parents

Technically we are an almost bankrupt country but we are using borwoing to make it looks live we are still a player.... 

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candw

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15/03/2017 at 07:40

We're handing out £billions in benefits to industry, tax breaks etc still. The poor are paying for our bankruptcy.

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candw

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15/03/2017 at 07:42

Shows what can be done with commitment. And data.

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15/03/2017 at 08:11

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 14/03/2017 at 22:37

Technically we are an almost bankrupt country but we are using borwoing to make it looks live we are still a player....


What do you mean by this?

Do you mean the cost of servicing the debt? Despite the hugely increased debt, the costs of servicing it are cheaper than any time before, due to historically low interest rates - the UK was far more 'bankrupt' post WW2 up to 2000, regarding lack of available capital.

The issue the UK has is pervading austerity of pubic services that is cutting growth prospects across the board long-term - it's that obvious. Using candw's link, if you refuse to fund a girl in poverty's sanitary wear (which overall cost is tiny) so that she misses school, she is more likely to fall-out the system, not gain qualifications and spend a life in repetitive poverty needing a life time of public help... all to save relative pennies in the short-term.

It's obscene that certain politicians and people like you are demanding cuts to tax rates to stimulate growth in the private sector (which hasn't actually happened the past 15 years of corporation tax cuts), yet also propose starving the most impoverished of basic care, claiming this will stimulate them to work more... two complete opposites.



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15/03/2017 at 12:43

Quote Quote by candw on 15/03/2017 at 07:42
Shows what can be done with commitment. And data.


Agreed - targets were set and as a soon as the data went off track inverventions and countermeasures were applied.

Great example of where long term commitment and multi-agency work works.

Credit where it's due.

Now let's half it again and again until it's zero unwanted teenage pregnancies.

Great example of where targets are good... 

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15/03/2017 at 12:45

Quote Quote by essexgull on 15/03/2017 at 08:11


What do you mean by this?

Do you mean the cost of servicing the debt? Despite the hugely increased debt, the costs of servicing it are cheaper than any time before, due to historically low interest rates - the UK was far more 'bankrupt' post WW2 up to 2000, regarding lack of available capital.

The issue the UK has is pervading austerity of pubic services that is cutting growth prospects across the board long-term - it's that obvious. Using candw's link, if you refuse to fund a girl in poverty's sanitary wear (which overall cost is tiny) so that she misses school, she is more likely to fall-out the system, not gain qualifications and spend a life in repetitive poverty needing a life time of public help... all to save relative pennies in the short-term.

It's obscene that certain politicians and people like you are demanding cuts to tax rates to stimulate growth in the private sector (which hasn't actually happened the past 15 years of corporation tax cuts), yet also propose starving the most impoverished of basic care, claiming this will stimulate them to work more... two complete opposites.



ESSEX GULL


Point to my obscene post asking for tax cuts?

I want waste cuts not tax cuts...you have no clue about my position on tax yet presume to put words in my mouth.

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candw

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15/03/2017 at 13:15

Blimey, I'd have had a bob or two that you want direct taxes to be as low as possible. Another losing bet? Still, it was only between me and my keyboard, so no problem.

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15/03/2017 at 16:25

No want direct taxes to be levied for things that we need for a civilised society but want anything done with that money to be free from waste.

Dead simple want it spent like you would if it was your own money.  

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15/03/2017 at 16:44

I'm still reeling on how influenced and in fear the British Tory Government are of the right wing press...

One fairly reasonable policy to require the self-employed to pay their fair share of National Insurance and after a week of a campaign by the Sun and Mail, they've u-turned. Astounding weakness.

So much for the British public getting back control... You've got f-all control.


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15/03/2017 at 16:50

Fair share!?!! - they don't enjoy the same benefits of their employed bretheren and many are employing people themselves so paying their dibs too. It's classic of this government and others before to see a symptom and make up a response to it that they don't even think through. I think it's the modern media curse that started with Alastair Campbell about being the story rather than playing catch up which still pervades politics for the party in power.

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15/03/2017 at 17:38

They get pension and healthcare?

Everyone who spends money employs someone, whether they're self-employed or not. It's just that a salaried worker can't get their broadband subscription paid before their tax is first.


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16/03/2017 at 09:17

No sick pay, no holiday pay, no equipment, tools, etc.

They get state pension but no work based pension and yes they can go to the NHS when they are not working and therefore losing money by the hour...

Try it then comment  

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16/03/2017 at 09:26

I've been self-employed and a company owner for over a decade.


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16/03/2017 at 13:36

In that case you know everything you need to know and how much you hold back in your increasingly selective posts.  

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16/03/2017 at 14:15

There's self-employed and there's self-employed. You, exiled, are one of the self-employed, but thousands of others are unemployed blokes trying to make a few bob by being self-employed. I hope you see that difference.

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16/03/2017 at 15:59

If you are talking about what used to be known as 'casual labour' I agree.  

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17/03/2017 at 07:46

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 16/03/2017 at 13:36
In that case you know everything you need to know and how much you hold back in your increasingly selective posts.


You're living in La La land if you think that those in salaried positions can just nip to the doctors during work hours when they want. The vast majority attempt to get appointments during lunch hours, after work or take annual holiday days off to go.

Hammond's reasonable policy was that the self-employed pay their fair share for health care and pensions and why shouldn't they. It was also to stop companies pushing employees into self-employed positions to reduce their tax payments. But as usual, any progressive policy gets shouted down by the Brexit back-benchers and the wealthy concerns they represent.

Luckily for Hammond there is such a paucity of economic experience and talent in government at the moment, that he may keep his job through default.


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17/03/2017 at 09:00

When someone in a UK salaried position takes holidays to be on the sick or visit a doctor please feel free to provide a link...


You are living in La La Land my friend.

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17/03/2017 at 11:46

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 17/03/2017 at 09:00
When someone in a UK salaried position takes holidays to be on the sick or visit a doctor please feel free to provide a link...


You are living in La La Land my friend.


My son takes half a day to visit the hospital.

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17/03/2017 at 12:23

My wife had to take a half day for pregnancy check-ups when we lived in the UK. Not where we live now as is against the law for companies to penalise.


EG 

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17/03/2017 at 13:28

Quote Quote by candw on 17/03/2017 at 11:46


My son takes half a day to visit the hospital.


Off his annual holiday entitlement?  

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17/03/2017 at 13:30

Quote Quote by essexgull on 17/03/2017 at 12:23
My wife had to take a half day for pregnancy check-ups when we lived in the UK. Not where we live now as is against the law for companies to penalise.
EG


Pregnancy is not an illness right?

Like going to the dentist - do it in your own time  

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17/03/2017 at 13:41

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 17/03/2017 at 13:28


Off his annual holiday entitlement?


Yes.

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17/03/2017 at 14:01

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 17/03/2017 at 13:30


Pregnancy is not an illness right?

Like going to the dentist - do it in your own time


If you work Monday to Friday 9 to 5, that's not easy without taking time off work. 

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17/03/2017 at 21:09

Quote Quote by The Prince of Munster on 17/03/2017 at 14:01


If you work Monday to Friday 9 to 5, that's not easy without taking time off work.


If you work Monday to Friday 9 to 5, that's a rarity in itself these days. 

Now then... 

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18/03/2017 at 19:07

Really!? Roads seem most clogged up weekdays between 08:00-09:00 and 16:30-18:00 in Hull. An experience mirrored in most cities in Britain I've been to. 

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18/03/2017 at 21:04

if they're clogged up at 9.00 and 4.30, not really supporting your own challenge old chap 

Fuck the short term we will build a 1000 year Hull City Reich 

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19/03/2017 at 08:44

Are you turning into Hulltim8 and arguing for the sake of it? I said between, Sonny Jim. 09:00 is when it tends to ease as people have made it to work. 16:30 is when it starts to build up again, it's generally the worst at just gone 17:00. 

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19/03/2017 at 08:48

Quote Quote by The Prince of Munster on 18/03/2017 at 19:07
Really!? Roads seem most clogged up weekdays between 08:00-09:00 and 16:30-18:00 in Hull. An experience mirrored in most cities in Britain I've been to.


That's the school run.

When the kids are off the traffic evaporates to nothing here.

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