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17/03/2017 at 07:39

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 16/03/2017 at 15:52
So May is saying no referendum until after the UK is out of the EU. Ball back in the SNP's court.


Imagine if the EU had said no to the UK having a referendum and the uproar it would have caused. The difference between the two unions.

Sturgeon has played a brilliant hand and now pushed Scotland to the front of the queue when it comes to handing out concessions and side deals when Brexit happens. She has engineered a great negotiating platform for her country whilst May is attempting to prise off the light fittings to sell off to help hers.

Sadly/sneeringly, as expected, the very people who voted for Brexit will be the ones worst off and see the least benefits.

If only many who voted Remain weren't blinded by racism/xenophobia they would have seen that this is how it was going to turn out. No-one can say that there wasn't warning.


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17/03/2017 at 09:27

You can read it any way you want.

Personally, I was in favour of keeping the Union at their previous 'once in a generation' referendum - now they can fook off with their little-Scotlander, high pitched wailing and realise their true economic fate.

Spain would veto EU membership for them, fearing the breakup of their arrangement with the Basques and the Catalans, as they made absolutely plain the last time - the time they voted to stay in the UK, then at the general election voted in a party whose sole aim is independence - that's political schizophrenia (which sums up the Scots that I've had the misfortune to have had to deal with), leaving them to grovel about looking for someone else to tell them which corner to piss in.

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17/03/2017 at 11:02

Hug rather than hate.


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17/03/2017 at 11:53

I agree.

Yet I think it's a little too late for them to take your advice. 

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17/03/2017 at 11:53

You only ever have a set of platitudes in your "I can fix the NHS" posts. You still see those shiny Minis coming off the production line and think they are people. Patients are people and doctors and nurses are people and it will never be perfect. To have your life saved is OK for most people.

SOMEONE ACTUALLY WROTE THIS:Yes,I can see them deciding to fly planes into buildings in a country which didn't exist at the time of the fall of Jerusalem centies later because of the 70,000 killed then.  

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17/03/2017 at 11:58

Quote Quote by I'm an alligator... on 17/03/2017 at 11:53
I agree.

Yet I think it's a little too late for them to take your advice.


Things changed radically since the last vote. Their xenophobia levels are less than ours and being dictated to by May etc is what upsets them more than Polish plumbers. Or even Pakistanis. Why shouldn't they have a punt?

SOMEONE ACTUALLY WROTE THIS:Yes,I can see them deciding to fly planes into buildings in a country which didn't exist at the time of the fall of Jerusalem centies later because of the 70,000 killed then.  

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17/03/2017 at 12:15

A punt at what?

Becoming the second s in pigss?

Becoming an affiliate member of the EU after signing Shengen, and entering the Euro Zone - even if Spain allow them to join?

Do they all want that, or will they bottle out again?

Amazingly, almost every Scot I have ever known has proclaimed themselves as very proud to be Socialists, as in 'we are the people', yet they're clamouring to stay under the capitalist umbrella of the EU, the champions of zero hours and cheap migrant labour.

That's that there schizophrenia I was on about.

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17/03/2017 at 12:19

By the way: 'Their xenophobia levels are less than ours...'

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17/03/2017 at 12:28

If they do sign the Schengen agreement, there will be an argument over who will pay to re-point Hadrian's Wall.

No idea how that will work, or a hard border between NI and Ireland.


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17/03/2017 at 12:58

I will be converted to your way of thinking, ace, when the Brussels government cuts support to the sick and handicapped, cuts school funding while opening free/faith/for profit schools, sells off bits of the NHS to companies owned by their friends/have places on the boards for them a bit later etc. Unfortunately, our sovereign government, while under the shackles of Brussels, has managed to do all of that on its own.

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17/03/2017 at 13:00

Quote Quote by I'm an alligator... on 17/03/2017 at 12:15
A punt at what?

Becoming the second s in pigss?

Becoming an affiliate member of the EU after signing Shengen, and entering the Euro Zone - even if Spain allow them to join?

Do they all want that, or will they bottle out again?

Amazingly, almost every Scot I have ever known has proclaimed themselves as very proud to be Socialists, as in 'we are the people', yet they're clamouring to stay under the capitalist umbrella of the EU, the champions of zero hours and cheap migrant labour.

That's that there schizophrenia I was on about.


I don't disagree with your last paragraphs and that SNP has gained a lot of their support from playing on anti-English nationalism that has always existed in Scotland.

In all seriousness, I'd guess that many SNP/independence supporters object to being dictated terms for the future to by a government who only holds one MP post in the entire country - it's problematic and would many on here feel different were they Scottish living in a Glasgow tenement?

I disagree with candw that Scots are 'less' racist than the English - sectarianism, racial issues stretching back decades etc. all nicely packaged away now that the SNP is playing the 'open arms to the world' card. It just currently suits them to be seen as less racist than the nasty English.

Not sure what the future holds for the union long term - it hasn't been that stable for a fwe decades now and I'm in a personal situation where I couldn't care less, but either way, this gives enormous power, and EU support, to Sturgeon and her party.


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17/03/2017 at 13:12

The Brussels 'government'.

There's me thinking I voted for a common market, back then.

And yes, all politicians are corrupt, so let's shed a few. 

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17/03/2017 at 13:14

EU support?

Link? 

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17/03/2017 at 13:20

Not at all a glib response.

I suppose 'The Market' you voted for can just regulate itself, as it did under, Tony Blair in this country, and in many other countries.

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17/03/2017 at 13:21

Quote Quote by candw on 17/03/2017 at 11:53
You only ever have a set of platitudes in your "I can fix the NHS" posts. You still see those shiny Minis coming off the production line and think they are people. Patients are people and doctors and nurses are people and it will never be perfect. To have your life saved is OK for most people.


They are a set of principles not platitudes and those principles have been responsible for an inexorable rise in the standard of living and wellbeing for millions of people around the globe. They have also been applied in a myriad of people centred enterprises but you wouldn't know because they are not the constant source of news stories and political intervention - because they just keep on getting better and better for us.

Those principles don't guarentee perfection just the constant movement towards it.

Improvements in quality, timeliness, cost and morale are simultaneously possible and we have over a hundred years of data to price it.

Still King Can't do thinks otherwise.

RNLI costs of life's saved been going down year on year for over a decade along with the overall number too (they work on prevention as well).

I want more lives saves year on year don't you?

More for my tax investment year on year don't you?  

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