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13/03/2017 at 18:26

Should she be allowed to keep having referendums until she wins one?The obnoxious cow. 

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13/03/2017 at 18:32

On holiday last month got talking to an older couple from Dundee, the bloke could hardly bring himself to say her name such was his disgust for her. Got the impression it's the less intelligent that want independence, those with brains know they'd have no chance on their own. What's the price of oil now compared to the last referendum?

Quite happy to let them have another vote though, if they vote to go then "bye bye, good luck!" and if they vote to stay then that's her done for. Quite surprised she actually wants one, or is it all a bluff? Perhaps May should tell her to go ahead and have one?  

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13/03/2017 at 18:44

Well you know how we all hate being told what to do by wogs and the like? A lot of them feel like that about the English. And what section of the British population wanted Brexit most? Exactly, the ones that wanted to get rid of all the Blacks and Pakis. Nothing to do with EU? You should have told them earlier to save their disappointment.

At least Hammond has put aside £60,000,000,000 to cover some of the costs of leaving.

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13/03/2017 at 19:09

Quote Quote by rodHCAFC on 13/03/2017 at 18:32
On holiday last month got talking to an older couple from Dundee, the bloke could hardly bring himself to say her name such was his disgust for her. Got the impression it's the less intelligent that want independence, those with brains know they'd have no chance on their own. What's the price of oil now compared to the last referendum?

Quite happy to let them have another vote though, if they vote to go then "bye bye, good luck!" and if they vote to stay then that's her done for. Quite surprised she actually wants one, or is it all a bluff? Perhaps May should tell her to go ahead and have one?


How do you know that Scotland would have no chance on their own, Rodney old bean? Is Scotland leaving the UK but joining the EU significantly worse off than Scotland remaining part of Tory Britain that pushes a no deal Brexit departure?

Oil was around 95 dollars in September 2014, it's now 50 dollars, but the dollar is 30% stronger, so you need to factor this in.

I imagine that as Sturgeon is a nationalist, she cares about her country and the probably disastrous effects that Brexit will have on it - removal of EU farming subsidies will see the end of most Scottish farms, as due to the poor quality of their soils, they can largely only survive with subsidy... being just one example.

It surprises me that after decades of being destroyed by Tory and right-wing governments, Hull folk are happy to support Tory policies regarding Brexit. Similar to Trump-supporting racists voting away their health care simply to prevent latinos from getting access to it.



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13/03/2017 at 20:19

So do they want to be independent or not? Give up 300 years of history to jump into bed with the EU who'll tell them what to do?

Maybe they will survive on their own who knows, shortbread is rather nice.  

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13/03/2017 at 20:25

So do they want to be independent or not? Give up 300 years of history to jump into bed with the EU who'll tell them what to do?

Rodney, you're an intelligent bloke. That really is - sad!

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13/03/2017 at 20:36

Well, as the EU and NATO have both said they won't be welcomed in straight away it doesn't really matter. 

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Quote Quote by rodHCAFC on 13/03/2017 at 20:19
So do they want to be independent or not? Give up 300 years of history to jump into bed with the EU who'll tell them what to do?

Maybe they will survive on their own who knows, shortbread is rather nice.


How or why do they give up 300 years of history, Rodney old bean? What has happened in the past has happened, whether they're a member of the UK in the future or not... it's not wiped on departure.

I'm guessing, as not Scottish, that around 50% believe that they will survive better alone in the EU than as part of the UK under a Tory-dominated government. Can you blame them.


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13/03/2017 at 21:22

Quote Quote by rodHCAFC on 13/03/2017 at 20:36
Well, as the EU and NATO have both said they won't be welcomed in straight away it doesn't really matter.


I would bet the EU would fast track them, just to stick it to Xenoland.. And as for NATO, they'll probably be prepared to take their chances.

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Quote Quote by candw on 13/03/2017 at 18:44
Well you know how we all hate being told what to do by wogs and the like? A lot of them feel like that about the English. And what section of the British population wanted Brexit most? Exactly, the ones that wanted to get rid of all the Blacks and Pakis. Nothing to do with EU? You should have told them earlier to save their disappointment.

At least Hammond has put aside £60,000,000,000 to cover some of the costs of leaving.


Good investment since our net contribution each years away £10bn

We will have that money back in less than a decade.

Will my black friends have voted themselves out when they voted Brexit...

Stop playing the race card FFS it's like a broken record

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 13/03/2017 at 19:09


It surprises me that after decades of being destroyed by Tory and right-wing governments, Hull folk are happy to support Tory policies regarding Brexit.
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This one had me rolling around laughing.
It clearly escaped your attention that albeit for a brief period Hull has been run by labour - during the NuLabour project it had two of the most powerful MP's in the land and all that got built was a big Chinese restaurant.

what are the labour policies regarding Brexit?  

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14/03/2017 at 09:57

Stop playing the race card FFS it's like a broken record

It's not actually race, it's xenophobia. For you it's sovereignty. For goodness sake change the record. Apart from making us clean up our filthy beaches, most other legislation over the last half century has been that passed by our sovereign parliament; apart from the straight bananas, of course. And I'm sure that even you know that.

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 14/03/2017 at 09:12


This one had me rolling around laughing.
It clearly escaped your attention that albeit for a brief period Hull has been run by labour - during the NuLabour project it had two of the most powerful MP's in the land and all that got built was a big Chinese restaurant.

what are the labour policies regarding Brexit?


There is little that a severely under-funded local council can do against systematic regional destruction engineered by a national government. Hull hasn't been 'run' by Labour - it has elected a Labour council to do it's best against a succession of government that would most likely prefer that it is swallowed by the sea.

Regarding New Labour - you need to read what I posted more carefully - "Tory and right wing governments".

I am saddened by Labour's policies towards Brexit. 48%, far lower than required for a US constitutional change vote, were Remain voters and this is more than enough of the British population for the Labour party to represent. So far, 16 million voters are being represented by a handful of MPs from the SNP, Lib Dems and Sinn Fein.

It's very strange that so many English hate the EU more than they support the United Kingdom. Brexit has destroyed unionism in Northern Ireland. Unfortunately seems to be representative of the mindless MailOnline generation (of all age ranges), where thought out compromise is beyond capability.


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14/03/2017 at 18:57

Quote Quote by candw on 13/03/2017 at 21:22


I would bet the EU would fast track them, just to stick it to Xenoland.. And as for NATO, they'll probably be prepared to take their chances.


It seems the Spanish would disagree with you. 

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True.

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Quote Quote by essexgull on 14/03/2017 at 10:56


There is little that a severely under-funded local council can do against systematic regional destruction engineered by a national government. Hull hasn't been 'run' by Labour - it has elected a Labour council to do it's best against a succession of government that would most likely prefer that it is swallowed by the sea.
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Why on earth would you even remotely believe that last sentence?

I mean prefer it swallowed by the sea - Seriously?

Many labour run northern cities and towns are already on the up and have been for over a decade - how come?

How come some are booming and yet others are still seemingly stuck stubbornly in the last century. ?

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15/03/2017 at 19:36

Quote Quote by candw on 13/03/2017 at 18:44
Well you know how we all hate being told what to do by wogs and the like? A lot of them feel like that about the English. And what section of the British population wanted Brexit most? Exactly, the ones that wanted to get rid of all the Blacks and Pakis. Nothing to do with EU? You should have told them earlier to save their disappointment.

At least Hammond has put aside £60,000,000,000 to cover some of the costs of leaving.


Pointless entering this debate when you make such sweeping generalisations of the voting public. 

Now then... 

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15/03/2017 at 19:52

Pointless you joining in for whatever reason. Go and whinge about the Allams.

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15/03/2017 at 21:02

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 14/03/2017 at 09:12


This one had me rolling around laughing.
It clearly escaped your attention that albeit for a brief period Hull has been run by labour - during the NuLabour project it had two of the most powerful MP's in the land and all that got built was a big Chinese restaurant.

what are the labour policies regarding Brexit?


Indeed, the dozen or so new health centres, new schools, new Women and Children's Hospital, and the KCOM Stadium are a fucking mirage and were never built. Stick to fucking Granadaland! ScotlandDiamonds 9

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15/03/2017 at 23:17

Quote Quote by candw on 15/03/2017 at 19:52
Pointless you joining in for whatever reason. Go and whinge about the Allams.


Wrong board, pal. 

Now then... 

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Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 15/03/2017 at 19:36


Pointless entering this debate when you make such sweeping generalisations of the voting public.


It certainly is untrue that all 17 million voted out of racist/xenophobic reasons. Many did though. And the vast majority voted against their own interests due to false consciousness.


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Quote Quote by NationalTiger on 15/03/2017 at 23:17


Wrong board, pal.


Could be why I said, "Go..."?

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Quote Quote by Dr Victor Ehrlich on 15/03/2017 at 21:02


Indeed, the dozen or so new health centres, new schools, new Women and Children's Hospital, and the KCOM Stadium are a fucking mirage and were never built. Stick to fucking Granadaland! ScotlandDiamonds 9


Yes I have seen and had direct experience of the 'new' hospital.

I have also seen the population decrease during these utopian times.

You need to get out more.  

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 16/03/2017 at 13:39


Yes I have seen and had direct experience of the 'new' hospital.

I have also seen the population decrease during these utopian times.

You need to get out more.


Is that the same population decrease brought on by millions of immigrants that we've all just voted to kick out for our Sovereign's Tea?

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16/03/2017 at 15:52

So May is saying no referendum until after the UK is out of the EU. Ball back in the SNP's court. 

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16/03/2017 at 15:57

Agree - hard politics just begun

Two strong women going at each other - pulls up chair and carrier bag of lager.  

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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 16/03/2017 at 13:39


Yes I have seen and had direct experience of the 'new' hospital.

I have also seen the population decrease during these utopian times.

You need to get out more.


Is the hospital that you have experience of incorporated within the banqueting room of the 'big Chinese restaurant'? It must be as you're claiming nothing else was built, or perhaps you're telling porkies. As for getting out more, I spent six months in said hospital and they saved my life, spare me your 'can't attack the sacred angels' response you usually give. ScotlandDiamonds 9

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Quote Quote by candw on 16/03/2017 at 07:47


Could be why I said, "Go..."?


If only. 

Now then... 

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Is the hospital that you have experience of incorporated within the banqueting room of the 'big Chinese restaurant'? It must be as you're claiming nothing else was built, or perhaps you're telling porkies. As for getting out more, I spent six months in said hospital and they saved my life, spare me your 'can't attack the sacred angels' response you usually give. ScotlandDiamonds 9


The saved your life?

Good - how well did they do that then, costs, time, hours spent, number of staff, mistakes, corrections, delays, everything right first time.

How did it compare to even a UK reference for your condition?



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17/03/2017 at 07:39

Quote Quote by Obadiah on 16/03/2017 at 15:52
So May is saying no referendum until after the UK is out of the EU. Ball back in the SNP's court.


Imagine if the EU had said no to the UK having a referendum and the uproar it would have caused. The difference between the two unions.

Sturgeon has played a brilliant hand and now pushed Scotland to the front of the queue when it comes to handing out concessions and side deals when Brexit happens. She has engineered a great negotiating platform for her country whilst May is attempting to prise off the light fittings to sell off to help hers.

Sadly/sneeringly, as expected, the very people who voted for Brexit will be the ones worst off and see the least benefits.

If only many who voted Remain weren't blinded by racism/xenophobia they would have seen that this is how it was going to turn out. No-one can say that there wasn't warning.


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17/03/2017 at 09:27

You can read it any way you want.

Personally, I was in favour of keeping the Union at their previous 'once in a generation' referendum - now they can fook off with their little-Scotlander, high pitched wailing and realise their true economic fate.

Spain would veto EU membership for them, fearing the breakup of their arrangement with the Basques and the Catalans, as they made absolutely plain the last time - the time they voted to stay in the UK, then at the general election voted in a party whose sole aim is independence - that's political schizophrenia (which sums up the Scots that I've had the misfortune to have had to deal with), leaving them to grovel about looking for someone else to tell them which corner to piss in.

Interesting to watch, like,

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17/03/2017 at 11:02

Hug rather than hate.


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I agree.

Yet I think it's a little too late for them to take your advice. 

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17/03/2017 at 11:53

You only ever have a set of platitudes in your "I can fix the NHS" posts. You still see those shiny Minis coming off the production line and think they are people. Patients are people and doctors and nurses are people and it will never be perfect. To have your life saved is OK for most people.

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Quote Quote by I'm an alligator... on 17/03/2017 at 11:53
I agree.

Yet I think it's a little too late for them to take your advice.


Things changed radically since the last vote. Their xenophobia levels are less than ours and being dictated to by May etc is what upsets them more than Polish plumbers. Or even Pakistanis. Why shouldn't they have a punt?

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17/03/2017 at 12:15

A punt at what?

Becoming the second s in pigss?

Becoming an affiliate member of the EU after signing Shengen, and entering the Euro Zone - even if Spain allow them to join?

Do they all want that, or will they bottle out again?

Amazingly, almost every Scot I have ever known has proclaimed themselves as very proud to be Socialists, as in 'we are the people', yet they're clamouring to stay under the capitalist umbrella of the EU, the champions of zero hours and cheap migrant labour.

That's that there schizophrenia I was on about.

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By the way: 'Their xenophobia levels are less than ours...'

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17/03/2017 at 12:28

If they do sign the Schengen agreement, there will be an argument over who will pay to re-point Hadrian's Wall.

No idea how that will work, or a hard border between NI and Ireland.


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I will be converted to your way of thinking, ace, when the Brussels government cuts support to the sick and handicapped, cuts school funding while opening free/faith/for profit schools, sells off bits of the NHS to companies owned by their friends/have places on the boards for them a bit later etc. Unfortunately, our sovereign government, while under the shackles of Brussels, has managed to do all of that on its own.

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Quote Quote by I'm an alligator... on 17/03/2017 at 12:15
A punt at what?

Becoming the second s in pigss?

Becoming an affiliate member of the EU after signing Shengen, and entering the Euro Zone - even if Spain allow them to join?

Do they all want that, or will they bottle out again?

Amazingly, almost every Scot I have ever known has proclaimed themselves as very proud to be Socialists, as in 'we are the people', yet they're clamouring to stay under the capitalist umbrella of the EU, the champions of zero hours and cheap migrant labour.

That's that there schizophrenia I was on about.


I don't disagree with your last paragraphs and that SNP has gained a lot of their support from playing on anti-English nationalism that has always existed in Scotland.

In all seriousness, I'd guess that many SNP/independence supporters object to being dictated terms for the future to by a government who only holds one MP post in the entire country - it's problematic and would many on here feel different were they Scottish living in a Glasgow tenement?

I disagree with candw that Scots are 'less' racist than the English - sectarianism, racial issues stretching back decades etc. all nicely packaged away now that the SNP is playing the 'open arms to the world' card. It just currently suits them to be seen as less racist than the nasty English.

Not sure what the future holds for the union long term - it hasn't been that stable for a fwe decades now and I'm in a personal situation where I couldn't care less, but either way, this gives enormous power, and EU support, to Sturgeon and her party.


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17/03/2017 at 13:12

The Brussels 'government'.

There's me thinking I voted for a common market, back then.

And yes, all politicians are corrupt, so let's shed a few. 

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EU support?

Link? 

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17/03/2017 at 13:20

Not at all a glib response.

I suppose 'The Market' you voted for can just regulate itself, as it did under, Tony Blair in this country, and in many other countries.

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Quote Quote by candw on 17/03/2017 at 11:53
You only ever have a set of platitudes in your "I can fix the NHS" posts. You still see those shiny Minis coming off the production line and think they are people. Patients are people and doctors and nurses are people and it will never be perfect. To have your life saved is OK for most people.


They are a set of principles not platitudes and those principles have been responsible for an inexorable rise in the standard of living and wellbeing for millions of people around the globe. They have also been applied in a myriad of people centred enterprises but you wouldn't know because they are not the constant source of news stories and political intervention - because they just keep on getting better and better for us.

Those principles don't guarentee perfection just the constant movement towards it.

Improvements in quality, timeliness, cost and morale are simultaneously possible and we have over a hundred years of data to price it.

Still King Can't do thinks otherwise.

RNLI costs of life's saved been going down year on year for over a decade along with the overall number too (they work on prevention as well).

I want more lives saves year on year don't you?

More for my tax investment year on year don't you?  

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Quote Quote by I'm an alligator... on 17/03/2017 at 12:15

Amazingly, almost every Scot I have ever known has proclaimed themselves as very proud to be Socialists, as in 'we are the people', yet they're clamouring to stay under the capitalist umbrella of the EU, the champions of zero hours and cheap migrant labour.


You forgot massive youth unemployment, the loss of national identity, shared social values and creeping theocracy... 

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I remember being told by an old bloke at work that joining the common market would be a one way street, as the French and Germans would operate a tacit embargo on British goods to protect their own economies.

He was right, and it's been downhill ever since. 

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It's why labour opposed it back in the Sevs 

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Quote Quote by I'm an alligator... on 17/03/2017 at 13:28
I remember being told by an old bloke at work that joining the common market would be a one way street, as the French and Germans would operate a tacit embargo on British goods to protect their own economies.

He was right, and it's been downhill ever since.


You are one of the blokes who will point to British Leyland as what's wrong with state enterprises and you then blame Germans/French for not buying them as an 'embargo'. And none of tat the fault of our superiority complex because of wars we have won. Now we undertake jointly building world class airliners and decent cars under foreign management and even reach for the stars as part of the EU. But now we want to go back behind the drawbridge, suffer financially and still not keep the wogs out of our country.

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I'll answer your hopeless rant later when I have time, if I can be arsed. 

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