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imperishablehcfc

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11/03/2017 at 21:36

Pretty insignificant difference, well under 68%, what say you confused one. 

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12/03/2017 at 08:40

Yesterday 5/8.4 was significant, today 8/13 isn't. Yet 5 is 59% of 8.4 whereas 8 is 61% of 13. Is 2% still significant to you? By the way, it's not percentages that treat people, it's people. Those 5 extra nurses would come in quite handy.

I'm not accusing you of being confused, just a niggling little fuckwit.

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12/03/2017 at 09:39

Decades of running the reputations and worth of essential staff has harmed the UK.

Care workers, nurses, public service workers and teachers have been targets of certain politicians and sections of the media continuously for nearly forty years, to the extent that much of the general public believes it, yet ironically rely on them.

You pay the least wages and amount of respect to the people that spend many hours a day with your children and elderly parents, then wonder why they take three more sick days a year than some mouse clicker and powerpoint presentation maker in the private sector whose role is to sell more unnecessary crap to those who can't afford it.

Laughable really.  

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12/03/2017 at 10:27

Quote Quote by candw on 12/03/2017 at 08:40
Yesterday 5/8.4 was significant, today 8/13 isn't. Yet 5 is 59% of 8.4 whereas 8 is 61% of 13. Is 2% still significant to you? By the way, it's not percentages that treat people, it's people. Those 5 extra nurses would come in quite handy.

I'm not accusing you of being confused, just a niggling little fuckwit.


Or in maths when talking about differences we calculate

3.4 being the difference therefore there are 68% more days off sick in the public sector
5 being the difference therefore there are 62.5% more nurses in Germany per 1000 of the population than the UK

Yesterday 68% was not significant yet today 62.5% is deemed to be a significant enough difference for you to post.

So rather than pose the question whether 2% (incorrect number) is significant to me, the question you should be answering is ' why is 68% insignificant when a number 5.5% points below is deemed to be significant.

Dear boy these are both your original comments, and it was YOU who first rubbished the more significant of the 2 figures and then claimed a lesser one was indeed significant.

I personally think they are both significant it is your usual hypocrisy that I am exposing.

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12/03/2017 at 11:01

So there is a significant reason why our underfunded NHS is performing less well? All of your previous posts on the subject have never suggested this, so you are exposing your own hypocrisy.

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12/03/2017 at 11:30

You really are struggling with comprehension again aren't you candw

From the numbers you have provided YES there is a significant difference in the number of nurses, but show me where I made a link between this and an underfunded NHS is performing less well, ah you can't, so no hypocrisy from me , just exposing your own lack of comprehension skills AGAIN.

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12/03/2017 at 12:29

LOL! You complain about everything to do with the NHS except the shortage of doctors and nurses and spending, as shown on large numbers of sites regarding health provision by countries. I comprehend you and your political posturing perfectly well. You are hoping for a big boost in the price of your Ripoff Health Global plc shares if your Tories break the NHS for you.

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12/03/2017 at 14:00

The percentage game.

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14/03/2017 at 09:16

Quote Quote by The Prince of Munster on 10/03/2017 at 20:19
I spend a significant amount of time in HRI A&E, both majors and minors. More TBF in the latter.

Whatever the time or demand (number of people waiting) you'll be waiting 4 hours to be treated. I've seen the place both almost completely empty and heaving full. It seems the same regardless.

I've had limited medical training, however, what I've seen is staff, generally do anything but pay lip service to the initial problem/complaint. I know they'll probably be covering their backsides from "Injury Lawyers 4U". It appears, from what I've seen, that no one wants to make a decision to send people away for simple to treat ailments.

I think two things are prevalent with the staff. A fear of making a mistake due to the harsh consequences of doing so - being sued/disciplined - so they've become risk averse to the extreme. And they are not empowered to lead from the front -because bad leaders don't make bad decisions, bad leaders do not make a decision at all...

If you went to see a GP with some of the ailments I've seen in HRI, you'd be out the door in 5-10 minutes after a quick consultation. Perhaps putting them in there will speed things up.



It won't because the target is 4hours - you get what you measure.

It's the same at the passport quesue the target is 20mins so it takes 20mins

Staff chill out when the target is being met - seen it with my own eyes over and over again.

At McDonald's they want you served as quick as possible so it take seconds.  

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14/03/2017 at 09:52

At McDonald's they want you served as quick as possible so it take seconds.

Keep a kidney warmed up for when it's needed, eh? Stupid burger!

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14/03/2017 at 10:00

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 14/03/2017 at 09:16


It won't because the target is 4hours - you get what you measure.

It's the same at the passport quesue the target is 20mins so it takes 20mins

Staff chill out when the target is being met - seen it with my own eyes over and over again.

At McDonald's they want you served as quick as possible so it take seconds.


Exactly. Staff go for the easy hits as well. Anything complicated gets pushed to the back of the queue. Targets are there for managers that can't manage. It applies in the both the public and private sectors.

I can imagine the NHS run like a MacDonalds: "You can have any treatment you like as long as its on our list."

"What's on your list?"

"6 types of painkiller and a glass of water. Pick from the menu and when you're ready we'll serve you."

No more 4 hour waits, everyone will be seen within seconds.

 

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14/03/2017 at 19:29

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 14/03/2017 at 09:16


It won't because the target is 4hours - you get what you measure.

It's the same at the passport quesue the target is 20mins so it takes 20mins

Staff chill out when the target is being met - seen it with my own eyes over and over again.

At McDonald's they want you served as quick as possible so it take seconds.


Let's be sensible for 5 minutes, there's a target for you. Comparing medical treatment to serving burgers is a bit silly.

There might be targets in the background, if there is a slack time, in my head if I was a manager, I would be getting people through quickly to get the average down...I'm therefore not convinced "hitting the target, but missing the point" is the problem.

The issue I've seen is simply a lack of first line decision making. "I believe you have x, y, z... I'm going to prescribe a,b,c...if the problem persists contact your GP or come back here" so long farewell, auf weidersen, goodbye. Most of the time I've been in there, believe me there have been many over the last year, the issue could easily have been resolved at the initial consultation - and would have been at a GP surgery.

To me it's one of the more sensible gov't ideas to get GPs in there. Long term, IMO, GP surgeries are defunct. Have health centres with appointment Drs/specialists for long term problems.

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14/03/2017 at 20:34

Its waste waste and more waste

I got a referrel from my GP 2 weeks ago and he said he would refer me to a specialist and I would be seen within 2 weeks. GP had taken loads of details, had a little prod, explained to me what I would likely need I agreed it sounded sensible. Just a couple of days later I got a call from the specialist unit and advised of an appointment, 11 days, not bad. Then a couple of days later a letter arrived confirming phone call - why?

So along I went this week, arrived 10 mins early into a waiting room with a fully staffed admin desk and lots of nursing staff uniforms buzzing around, doors to cionsulting rooms opening, patients generally in and out in 5 - 10 mins max. I eventually got called in 15 minutes late. 5 minute chat, in less depth than with my GP, no prodding. I think you will need XXXX (same as GP had suggested) you will get a call to arrange it, and come back and see me in 6 weeks. So I asked hoew long xxx appointment will be to which he said, not sure different department, but usually within the 6 weeks before you come back to see me.

Where is the fucking value in that!!1

If like quite probably my processing was not unique, there was a whole fucking team involved in processing a waiting room full of patients and no value whatsoever being added.

Yep we need more nursing staff, do we fuck, we just need some cunt to get off their lazy fat arses and earn their fucking considerable salaries. 

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14/03/2017 at 20:45

So it seems there was fuck all the matter with you. It's time wasting fuckers like you that fuck up the system.

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14/03/2017 at 20:45

Quote Quote by imperishablehcfc on 14/03/2017 at 20:34


Where is the fucking value in that!!



You have been ticked off. The Specialist has seen you within the time limit. The hospital administrators will be in line for a bonus for meeting the government target and you're left feeling what was the point of that. No doubt the Specialist thought it was a waste of his or her time as well. Now times your experience by a hundred or so and you can see how much time is wasted meeting targets.

Nothing to do with whether the staff are lazy or not but everything to do with ensuring the NHS bosses get their bonuses.

Hope its nothing serious. 

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