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exiled CITY AFC

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08/02/2017 at 11:31

Still doesn't understand productivity

Are the swedes fucking stupid?

Of course workers love a 6 hour day more than 8 hours but the 'work' still needs to be done and the extra workers cost money.

Thick fuckers would have been better off looking at what the 'work' actually is before these stupid projects.

From what I can see nursing is now walking around filling in forms, looking / waiting for stuff and sat at the computer trying to find beds...

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08/02/2017 at 12:02

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 08/02/2017 at 11:31
Still doesn't understand productivity

Are the swedes fucking stupid?

Of course workers love a 6 hour day more than 8 hours but the 'work' still needs to be done and the extra workers cost money.

Thick fuckers would have been better off looking at what the 'work' actually is before these stupid projects.

From what I can see nursing is now walking around filling in forms, looking / waiting for stuff and sat at the computer trying to find beds...



With a few minor changes that could have been written about the UK in 1847. 

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08/02/2017 at 12:11

From what I can see nursing is now walking around filling in forms, looking / waiting for stuff and sat at the computer trying to find beds...

Ah, yes. The latest Health and Social Care Act. An all British English Act without the dead hand of the EU even in sight. Sovereignty, eh?

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08/02/2017 at 13:51

what do you think of those thick as fuck swedes though candy - we call all work a six hour day if our tax payers fund the extra people needed eh? 

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08/02/2017 at 13:59

Still doesn't understand productivity

Are the swedes fucking stupid?


At least the stupid fuckers have given it a try and have data on which to make further decisions. Working better and more intensely for 6 hours is more productive than working less well for 8 hours. Still, they've tried it and have data to go on, rather than saying that it wouldn't work.

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08/02/2017 at 15:29

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 08/02/2017 at 11:31
Still doesn't understand productivity


From what I can see nursing is now walking around filling in forms, looking / waiting for stuff and sat at the computer trying to find beds...



And this is why you will never be taken seriously on here.



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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 08/02/2017 at 13:51
what do you think of those thick as fuck Brits though candy - we could all work a ten hour day if our customers fund the extra people needed eh?


I've altered the quote a little as it wouldn't have looked out of place in 1847.  

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08/02/2017 at 18:38

Not following that one... Didn't you mean ten hour day if our customers WONT fund the extra people needed?

The reason there is no political will to do that is:-

capacity required and hence funds required = actual value added work that needs doing to service actual genuine demand + wasteful activities.

In the NHS we all know that actual genuine demand is a fraction of what it currently is and the levels of waste are truly biblical.

Sort plenty of that out year-on-year and the will to fund it might return...

£650m of service given to foreigners and less than £50m recovered. If that is but one example of 'efficiency' of NHS management imagine how good the rest is?

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08/02/2017 at 18:45

capacity required and hence funds required = actual value added work that needs doing to service actual genuine demand + wasteful activities.

Define "service the actual demand". Does it mean wipes old lady's arse after an accident or wiping it + talking with her to help her over the shame she will feel? Quite a few "hours" difference there.

£650m of service given to foreigners and less than £50m recovered. If that is but one example of 'efficiency' of NHS management imagine how good the rest is?

Compared with the £22,000,000,000 cuts it's pay for the tea bags.

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08/02/2017 at 22:26

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 08/02/2017 at 18:38
Not following that one... Didn't you mean ten hour day if our customers WONT fund the extra people needed?



I thought you would have got it first time I mentioned it. This was the second. In 1847 parliament passed the Factory Act against the will of the rising capitalist class. Seems the old aristocracy didn't like the upstarts from the cities and wanted to teach them a lesson. The Factory Act limited the working day for women and children to ten hours. The arguments of the factory owners against reducing the weeking work sound very similar to the ones you use.



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Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 08/02/2017 at 13:51
what do you think of those thick as fuck swedes though candy - we call all work a six hour day if our tax payers fund the extra people needed eh?


Thick as fuck, exiled, trying out the effects of a 6 hour day on the workers and their clients. Seemed to be better all round. But for the cost.

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09/02/2017 at 21:09

Why oh why isn't Lord Digby Sugar of Granadaland running the country? After all he has ALL the answers to ALL the difficult questions.

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Wouldn't take the pay cut - pay peanuts an all that  

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10/02/2017 at 17:30

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 08/02/2017 at 11:31
Still doesn't understand productivity

Are the swedes fucking stupid?

Of course workers love a 6 hour day more than 8 hours but the 'work' still needs to be done and the extra workers cost money.

Thick fuckers would have been better off looking at what the 'work' actually is before these stupid projects.

From what I can see nursing is now walking around filling in forms, looking / waiting for stuff and sat at the computer trying to find beds...



Sure, some work will always need doing by people, but I've seen reports recently predicting that AI is going to do away with many job in the coming years, like mechanisation did with agriculture and factories, like computers did in all sorts of sectors, like scaling up and globalisation has done in manufacturing. At the end of it, there will be living people twiddling their thumbs. Some jobs will always need people instead of machines. What do you want to do with those people? Are you planning on reviving the Luddites, or is it worth running some tests to see how to deal with it when it happens? 

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10/02/2017 at 18:17

Quote Quote by theotherphantom on 10/02/2017 at 17:30


Sure, some work will always need doing by people, but I've seen reports recently predicting that AI is going to do away with many job in the coming years, like mechanisation did with agriculture and factories, like computers did in all sorts of sectors, like scaling up and globalisation has done in manufacturing. At the end of it, there will be living people twiddling their thumbs. Some jobs will always need people instead of machines. What do you want to do with those people? Are you planning on reviving the Luddites, or is it worth running some tests to see how to deal with it when it happens?


The interesting fact is that the trial was actually successful - productivity did increase, general work was better, less sick days, happier elderly patients and the nurses reported better lives. The issue was the cost to the kommune/city council that funded it. Gøteborg has been hammered by cuts over the last 5 years, the entire public and social sector has suffered hugely - schooling especially, at the same time as the population and demand on public services have increased dramatically.

When I used to trade on the open outcry floor, I found I could make more money if I traded for a couple of hours over important economic announcements and figures, than if I hung around there for 10 hours a day - I found that fatigue and boredom would kick in and dull my edge when I needed it the most. I imagine it's the same for most jobs.

Regarding automation - jobs like fruit picking can't be automated because the machines aren't delicate enough.. most people don't want to buy and eat smashed up fruit and vegetables. You can however get an apple-picking machine, which basically shakes the apples from the tree and then sucks them up, which cideries use:

https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/gfx/news/hires/2014/machineharve.jpg


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