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essexgull

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08/02/2017 at 15:38

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 08/02/2017 at 11:46
how so?

we shovelled money into the EU year on year in lieu of our courts being subservient to the European court.

We were on a path to expansive federalisation in a shrinking economy.

Simply that would end up in the rich countries giving their peoples stuff away over time to the newly joining poor countries.

In short economically the end game would be the equivalent of every German giving their Romanian counterpart their second BMW but at least we would all be equally fucking miserable together.

It was/is a death spiral and at the same time as giving that up you would also then be told what do about everything eventually by Europe.

People on here slate the US and the things they do but the same people wanted a united states of Europe?

Also if you are in Hull explain to me the pro-s and cons of EU membership since 1972

Finally I am still absolutely baffled as to why anyone young would want to be part of this given the state of youth unemployment across the EU

Baffled...


That's not what your mate, Donald Trump, believes. He rightly stated that the presence of poorer countries like Romania and Greece hugely helps the wealthier countries like Germany and France, as it allows them to manipulate the Euro.

The Deutschmark would be at least 50% stronger without the presence of the EU, which would make all those BMWs a lot more expensive and unaffordable. On top of this, movement of labour from Poland and Romania has stifled wage growth... Also benefiting manufacturers.

I imagine the youth of the UK see greater kindred spirits in French, Italian and Bulgarians than middle-aged businessmen shouting 'you don't want to do it like that, do it like this' at them.


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08/02/2017 at 18:42

Well they can all have a mega-millions-euro-dole jamboree then and the future is assured...

The young entrepreneurs I work with see it for what it is - its only the conveyor belt who emerge blinking from education saying 'giz-a-job' that have been programmed to love it.

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08/02/2017 at 18:50

When we're all young entrepreneurs, will we go back to bartering?

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essexgull

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08/02/2017 at 18:51

Not really.

But then not worth getting into a debate over as positions are entrenched.

There is a lot wrong with the EU, but it will be a lot worse out of it for the UK, for the MAJORITY of residents.



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10/02/2017 at 00:43

Long term - I doubt it  

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candw

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10/02/2017 at 12:38

...argues that the better educated are more prone to holding irrational political opinions because they are more driven by fashion and a group mentality.

The less well educated, on the other hand, are still Mediaeval peasants, with very short horizons.

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10/02/2017 at 13:36

But they are less ignorant of actual facts.

Rosling has proven this again and again - the more educated the more ignorant in the west.

Our glorious education produces idiots that are certain they are right and that everyone else has substandard knowledge.

But if we insist on equating academic ability on knowledge retention we are set to follow the idea ad-finitum.

Luckily we have found loads of foreign students to mug-off for a few decades until they find its the school you went to not the actual degree that counts.  

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10/02/2017 at 14:03

Rosling has proven this again and again - the more educated the more ignorant in the west.

Proved it to you? Isn't Rosling educated? Isn't this just the flight of fancy he's railing against?

The less educated didn't know the actual facts that the immigrants didn't push down the wages, the ever predatory capitalist class did it.

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essexgull

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10/02/2017 at 18:33

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 10/02/2017 at 13:36
But they are less ignorant of actual facts.

Rosling has proven this again and again - the more educated the more ignorant in the west.

Our glorious education produces idiots that are certain they are right and that everyone else has substandard knowledge.


Do you not actually watch the videos you post for us to watch on here?

Rosling didn't prove what you state at all. He stated that the more educated, the less likely to change opinion when face with new facts... because the educated in the West have been taught a certain way of learning which determines how they/we make an opinion. It had nothing to do with that the more educated you are, the more ignorant you are.

As many facts released by numerous media sources now are not usually 'facts' and highly questionable and biased, then it's fairly understandable that many are reluctant to change opinions when confronted by them.

You don't even truly believe the crap you come out with on here, it's just going against the grain to play for the crowd. Do you really expect any of us to believe that when you're next in need for some sort of medical treatment, you'll be heading to Texas to ask some oxycontin-addicted redneck who lives in a caravan for help, ahead of seeking the skills of the highly-educated private surgeon you usually use?

It's fairly obvious that the under-educated are being used over the past couple of years for their votes, by another set of elites. The mugs on here and in the West are being told 'Through not being educated, you are actually cleverer than the educated and so will vote for me... oh and it's all foreigners and public sector workers' fault' and like bees to honey, they flock to the polls and vote. You, whose career and wealth has thrived from using the tools provided by highly-educated experts, are just late to the party and joining the winning side and their current mantra.



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