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candw

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04/02/2017 at 13:34

Well someone else has said what I thought our sovereignty was for; screwing the ordinary person.

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exiled CITY AFC

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05/02/2017 at 22:06

Or we could work together to get our productivity to more competitive levels so we don't have to do this A-level accountants race to the bottom... 

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06/02/2017 at 07:40

I think the boss class will stick with the quoted methods. Your idea needs the bosses as well to change.

Speaking with data

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06/02/2017 at 08:15

Interesting but pointless - we are all leaving now

"On the other hand some commentators see it as primarily reflecting a "culture war" or "values conflict", rather than issues of economics and inequality. Research shows that non-graduates tend to take less liberal positions than graduates on a range of social issues from immigration and multi-culturalism to the death penalty.
The former campaign director of Vote Leave, Dominic Cummings, argues that the better educated are more prone to holding irrational political opinions because they are more driven by fashion and a group mentality."

Hans Rosling has decades of data on the last point...

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06/02/2017 at 10:51

The former campaign director of Vote Leave, Dominic Cummings, argues that the better educated are more prone to holding irrational political opinions because they are more driven by fashion and a group mentality.

What a total cunt!

At least we know the old Labour voters don't want any more wogs here. Corbyn's really up against it trying to persuade them to vote for him and not their Tory masters. All the Tories/UKIP need to do is put up a banner; "If you want a wog for you neighbour, Vote Labour". And they can post "If you want your sovereignty, Vote Me." Fuck bothering with politics and economics.

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06/02/2017 at 18:29

simpleton comments above

If you want new alien an inferior values to enter your culture who do you vote for?

For example if I want to import more religious intolerance or see my female friends be viewed as chattels again where do I sign up?  

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06/02/2017 at 18:53

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 06/02/2017 at 18:29
simpleton comments above

There was this bloke who argued time and time again that it wasn't immigration that swung it for Brexit.

Simpleton comments above.
 

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06/02/2017 at 19:08

There is a bloke who cannot see that immigration per se was not THE problem it was the EU letting in a whole new influx of fundamentally different values...

In addition people could see that sovereignty was the root cause of this and other matters as it had allowed un-elected EU commissioners to propose and introduce legislation to a superior authority than our sovereign parliaments. The court case uncovered the treason committed in 1972

Do you thing immigration would be an issue if it was Aussies/ Italians / Canadians or any other secular types making those boat trips?

Do you think we would have seen any mass migration to the EU if it were not for its leaders announcing a free-for-all?






 

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06/02/2017 at 19:47

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 06/02/2017 at 19:08
There is a bloke who cannot see that immigration per se was not THE problem it was the EU letting in a whole new influx of fundamentally different values...

So it wasn't Polish plumbers or Romanian lettuce pickers, but Muslims? I don't think the EU let those in, particularly, but our chaps thought leaving would affect their numbers.

In addition people could see that sovereignty was the root cause of this and other matters as it had allowed un-elected EU commissioners to propose and introduce legislation to a superior authority than our sovereign parliaments. The court case uncovered the treason committed in 1972

Treason. Bollocks. Sovereignty as it affected immigration. Stop denying the undeniable.

Do you thing immigration would be an issue if it was Aussies/ Italians / Canadians or any other secular types making those boat trips?

You seem unable to distinguish between Free Movement of Labour and immigration/refugees. Yet you had a fucking vote! Democracy, eh?

Do you think we would have seen any mass migration to the EU if it were not for its leaders announcing a free-for-all?

Summing up. We turned our back on the EU and our close trading partners, which didn't rule on the shape of bananas, but because Muslims came here. Shake my head!

 

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06/02/2017 at 20:41

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 06/02/2017 at 19:08

Do you thing immigration would be an issue if it was Aussies/ Italians / Canadians or any other secular types making those boat trips?


I thought the majority of recent immigrants were catholic. 

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06/02/2017 at 22:34

Have you read - why god isn't great and religion poisons everything? 

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06/02/2017 at 22:44

Quote Quote by exiled CITY AFC on 06/02/2017 at 22:34
Have you read - why god isn't great and religion poisons everything?


No, don't need to. I made my mind up a long time ago. 

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07/02/2017 at 05:35

There was some proportion of the Leave voters that voted that way out of a wish to stick two fingers up to Westminster. Unfortunately, while that is a worthwhile motive, most of those that did so would have been far better off voting Remain but instead became turkeys inadvertently voting for Christmas. 

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08/02/2017 at 11:46

how so?

we shovelled money into the EU year on year in lieu of our courts being subservient to the European court.

We were on a path to expansive federalisation in a shrinking economy.

Simply that would end up in the rich countries giving their peoples stuff away over time to the newly joining poor countries.

In short economically the end game would be the equivalent of every German giving their Romanian counterpart their second BMW but at least we would all be equally fucking miserable together.

It was/is a death spiral and at the same time as giving that up you would also then be told what do about everything eventually by Europe.

People on here slate the US and the things they do but the same people wanted a united states of Europe?

Also if you are in Hull explain to me the pro-s and cons of EU membership since 1972

Finally I am still absolutely baffled as to why anyone young would want to be part of this given the state of youth unemployment across the EU

Baffled...  

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08/02/2017 at 11:59

we shovelled money into the EU year on year in lieu of our courts being subservient to the European court.

We paid money into the EU annually. We adopted some EU laws and made many more of our own over the same period.

No bias from you, eh exiled? Speaking with data after a good measure of your own emphasis thrown in. Unfortunately for us, many of those who we helped financially either ignore our exports, or thought they could get better elsewhere. And building markets was one reason we did pay to the poorer countries.

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